disclaimer: I feel like this might not be somewhere good to REALLY get into this, because I don't think there'll be too many feathers to ruffle or oppositional points. but even if that's the case, this can turn into a gang up and talk shit thread, which is totally fine too
anyway though, the whole "modelers sound like shit and are the penultimate evil of the universe" thing
i think it is a thing for this reason (other than baseless shallow stubbornness/purely aesthetic purposes, which aren't even worth talking about):
let's say that there actually IS a noticable difference in sound. and tbh, personally, in the vein of not outright dismissing opposition, in ultimate fairness: I think there could be some merit to that. I definitely I think a lot of it is bias, kind of a placebo effect, but either way I'm gonna give due credit and not assume people on the other side of the fence are completely full of shit. plus, the fact that I think the axeIII sounds SO good. and then lastly, the point of my prefers-real-amps-but-is-open-minded-and-100%-non-judgemental friend, when showing him a dissection (black metal-influenced sound, aka minimalist af, aaka intentionally somewhat shitty) preset from the axechange: "this sounds great, but like...too great". so yeah, it's probably a fair point
BUT
here's my point: if using that as the basis, that they do actually sound different, why is the other thing (modelers) automatically bad? (bad instead of just different)
((insecurity and stubbornness))
but legitimately, I think it's because up until the point of modelers, the sound of real amps was all there was (in terms of amps). insecure and stubborn people immediately associate what always has been with being the only thing that should be; hearing or seeing someone play a piece of music on a modeler that's set up to be the exact same as the "real" version, as close as it can possibly get, to where 99% of people can't ACTUALLY hear a difference, is complete & total blasphemy.
but, WHAT IF
instead of outright dismissing, we decided to separate the two; judge and analyze each sound for what it is, intentionally avoiding any comparison to the other. it's no longer about the medium being used to produce the sound, it's only about the sound itself. do that, and then answer the question "what is wrong with modelers/digitally produced sounds/this sound?"
hook them up to a shock collar that gives them a jolt ever time they think or say an answer which either consciously or unconsciously flashes back to the real amp, thinking of it before or at all during the forming of the answer, and I would be willing to bet most of my earthly possessions that they would not have much of anything to say
because
opinions are POINTLESS
EVERYTHING IS POINTLESS
OPTIMISTIC NIHILISM
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
anyway though, the whole "modelers sound like shit and are the penultimate evil of the universe" thing
i think it is a thing for this reason (other than baseless shallow stubbornness/purely aesthetic purposes, which aren't even worth talking about):
let's say that there actually IS a noticable difference in sound. and tbh, personally, in the vein of not outright dismissing opposition, in ultimate fairness: I think there could be some merit to that. I definitely I think a lot of it is bias, kind of a placebo effect, but either way I'm gonna give due credit and not assume people on the other side of the fence are completely full of shit. plus, the fact that I think the axeIII sounds SO good. and then lastly, the point of my prefers-real-amps-but-is-open-minded-and-100%-non-judgemental friend, when showing him a dissection (black metal-influenced sound, aka minimalist af, aaka intentionally somewhat shitty) preset from the axechange: "this sounds great, but like...too great". so yeah, it's probably a fair point
BUT
here's my point: if using that as the basis, that they do actually sound different, why is the other thing (modelers) automatically bad? (bad instead of just different)
((insecurity and stubbornness))
but legitimately, I think it's because up until the point of modelers, the sound of real amps was all there was (in terms of amps). insecure and stubborn people immediately associate what always has been with being the only thing that should be; hearing or seeing someone play a piece of music on a modeler that's set up to be the exact same as the "real" version, as close as it can possibly get, to where 99% of people can't ACTUALLY hear a difference, is complete & total blasphemy.
but, WHAT IF
instead of outright dismissing, we decided to separate the two; judge and analyze each sound for what it is, intentionally avoiding any comparison to the other. it's no longer about the medium being used to produce the sound, it's only about the sound itself. do that, and then answer the question "what is wrong with modelers/digitally produced sounds/this sound?"
hook them up to a shock collar that gives them a jolt ever time they think or say an answer which either consciously or unconsciously flashes back to the real amp, thinking of it before or at all during the forming of the answer, and I would be willing to bet most of my earthly possessions that they would not have much of anything to say
because
opinions are POINTLESS
EVERYTHING IS POINTLESS
OPTIMISTIC NIHILISM
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA