shasha
Fractal Fanatic
I refuse to enable the self-entitled on this whole AxeFXII thing.
BUT, if someone told me that they sent someone at FA an email asking about a new product, oh say about 3-4 weeks ago and was given a resounding "no" and the person went on to order an Ultra THEN I think that they may have a legitimate beef. I wholly understand the need to keep the release under wraps and secrecy is not the same as a flat out lie which that could definitely be construed as.
So basically if you asked the right question within a very recent period and were then lied to, directly to your face, than I'd probably be behind you on this one 100%. I think that you should be able to get in on a trade-in deal or something like that. That just seems fair to me. I just somehow don't see that being the case for more than none of us here.
All the other excuses are pretty damn weak and frankly pretty selfish.
Fractal Audio's a small company, selling a very specialized product to a very select market in a very weak economy and it's not like he can afford to throw away a ton of these things and just take a loss. Think about it; a company like Line6 has corporate HQ's and tons of workers; millions of units sold weekly, etc....they need the write-offs anyway. They can afford to blow them out or just toss them. They're markup per unit is ridiculous and combine that with quantity you can see why they're so big.
FA on the other hand has just moved to a new location, moves less units in a year than Line6 probably does in an afternoon and has a hell of a lot more money invested in one DSP chip alone than anything Line6 has in any completed product they sell. He sure as hell doesn't have the resources to just eat units that he's already paid to have built or probably even afford to blow them out; especially when he's ramping up production for a new line. This stuff isn't made from fairy dust and elbow grease.
Some of the 'suggestions' I've read here wouldn't mean cheap new AxeFXII's for everyone; it would mean nothing for anyone...forever, because he'd go under.
What really pisses me off about this whole thing is that this guy has made something that we all love and enjoy or else we wouldn't even be here. He's continuously provided updates completely free of charge FOR YEARS when other companies either capitalize on them or just don't come out with a working version at all before it goes to legacy status and is no longer supported.
So then he takes everything that everyone has been saying "man it'd be great if it had _____" and made it happen in the AxeFXII...then upon the triumphant unveiling of his biggest accomplishment to date he's met with cries of foul play and accusations of insider trading (which is laughable).
And the funny part here is that if the big announcement had only been new firmware and an official release of AxeEdit EVERYONE would have been beating their chests over still being king of the hill and how great a guy Cliff is because he's got a different business model, etc...(insert additional cliche Cliff-ass-kissing comments here). There would have been a lot of people playing instead of whining too.
I don't know how many posts I've read where someone says "I have no amp GAS anymore" or "the sounds are the best ever" yet that somehow isn't the case anymore?
Now you feel slighted for buying the exact product that you thought you were getting when you hit the submit button on the order form?
You can speculate about how things could have been handled differently or better if it were you running things, but the bottom line is that you have no idea what the situation is financially, logistically, projection wise or anything else that determines his business plan or decisions. None of us do.
To sit here and say that you would do trade-ins, rebates, discounts or anything else like that sounds great...from our perspective. Don't forget that he's included an additional $200 DSP inside this thing and only charged about $200 more than the Ultra. To me that doesn't sound like he's left himself a whole lot of extra room for additional profit or extra discounts. If he gave these 'loyal customer' discounts then when is he going to make the money he needs to not only survive but actually succeed...because that is the point of making something revolutionary isn't it?
We are his entire customer base for the most part. We aren't talking about a lot of sales here to make up the profit; there aren't millions of AxeFXII's on the shelf of every Guitar Center in the country. If we don't buy them then who will? All the guys that are laughing it up on the other forums? The guys that we've laughed at and argued with?
He built this for us, it's what we asked for; how can you be disappointed?
I mean what was he supposed to do here? I'm so frickin' mad over this now that I think that this is the 5th rendition of this post because the other ones would have probably gotten me banned.
Perspective; get some.
BUT, if someone told me that they sent someone at FA an email asking about a new product, oh say about 3-4 weeks ago and was given a resounding "no" and the person went on to order an Ultra THEN I think that they may have a legitimate beef. I wholly understand the need to keep the release under wraps and secrecy is not the same as a flat out lie which that could definitely be construed as.
So basically if you asked the right question within a very recent period and were then lied to, directly to your face, than I'd probably be behind you on this one 100%. I think that you should be able to get in on a trade-in deal or something like that. That just seems fair to me. I just somehow don't see that being the case for more than none of us here.
All the other excuses are pretty damn weak and frankly pretty selfish.
Fractal Audio's a small company, selling a very specialized product to a very select market in a very weak economy and it's not like he can afford to throw away a ton of these things and just take a loss. Think about it; a company like Line6 has corporate HQ's and tons of workers; millions of units sold weekly, etc....they need the write-offs anyway. They can afford to blow them out or just toss them. They're markup per unit is ridiculous and combine that with quantity you can see why they're so big.
FA on the other hand has just moved to a new location, moves less units in a year than Line6 probably does in an afternoon and has a hell of a lot more money invested in one DSP chip alone than anything Line6 has in any completed product they sell. He sure as hell doesn't have the resources to just eat units that he's already paid to have built or probably even afford to blow them out; especially when he's ramping up production for a new line. This stuff isn't made from fairy dust and elbow grease.
Some of the 'suggestions' I've read here wouldn't mean cheap new AxeFXII's for everyone; it would mean nothing for anyone...forever, because he'd go under.
What really pisses me off about this whole thing is that this guy has made something that we all love and enjoy or else we wouldn't even be here. He's continuously provided updates completely free of charge FOR YEARS when other companies either capitalize on them or just don't come out with a working version at all before it goes to legacy status and is no longer supported.
So then he takes everything that everyone has been saying "man it'd be great if it had _____" and made it happen in the AxeFXII...then upon the triumphant unveiling of his biggest accomplishment to date he's met with cries of foul play and accusations of insider trading (which is laughable).
And the funny part here is that if the big announcement had only been new firmware and an official release of AxeEdit EVERYONE would have been beating their chests over still being king of the hill and how great a guy Cliff is because he's got a different business model, etc...(insert additional cliche Cliff-ass-kissing comments here). There would have been a lot of people playing instead of whining too.
I don't know how many posts I've read where someone says "I have no amp GAS anymore" or "the sounds are the best ever" yet that somehow isn't the case anymore?
Now you feel slighted for buying the exact product that you thought you were getting when you hit the submit button on the order form?
You can speculate about how things could have been handled differently or better if it were you running things, but the bottom line is that you have no idea what the situation is financially, logistically, projection wise or anything else that determines his business plan or decisions. None of us do.
To sit here and say that you would do trade-ins, rebates, discounts or anything else like that sounds great...from our perspective. Don't forget that he's included an additional $200 DSP inside this thing and only charged about $200 more than the Ultra. To me that doesn't sound like he's left himself a whole lot of extra room for additional profit or extra discounts. If he gave these 'loyal customer' discounts then when is he going to make the money he needs to not only survive but actually succeed...because that is the point of making something revolutionary isn't it?
We are his entire customer base for the most part. We aren't talking about a lot of sales here to make up the profit; there aren't millions of AxeFXII's on the shelf of every Guitar Center in the country. If we don't buy them then who will? All the guys that are laughing it up on the other forums? The guys that we've laughed at and argued with?
He built this for us, it's what we asked for; how can you be disappointed?
I mean what was he supposed to do here? I'm so frickin' mad over this now that I think that this is the 5th rendition of this post because the other ones would have probably gotten me banned.
Perspective; get some.
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