Per preset effects - can they be toggled off when switching out of the scene you turned them on in?

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Jetset95

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Hi all, I don't think so, but in case I haven't buried my head into the manual far enough, I'm trying to set up a live Preset using Per Preset to have Scenes and Effects available to me. So I may kick on a Chorus for my Clean scene and then jump to a higher-gain Rhythm scene, but when I want to come back to clean, is there a way I can have the Chorus bypassed without having to switch it manually?
 
There seem to be ~5 ways to do that if I'm understanding you right.

1. Just use the effect bypass on a footswtich. That won't stay on when you change scenes (they'll follow the bypass state saved with the scene), and it seems like you want to keep the Chorus on when you switch to Rhythm, but only if it was on previously.

2. More scenes. Obviously, you can't use more than 8 of them in a preset. That's probably the simplest way to do it, but it seems like it could take 4 scenes just to do that (Clean, Clean + Chorus, Rhythm + Chorus, perhaps Rhythm w/o Chorus).

3. Use Control Switches. You'd have the Chorus bypass tied to a CS, a switch that toggles the CS, and the CS Per Scene set to "Last" for the Rhythm scene and "Off" for the clean scene - if I'm understanding what you want, that'll let you switch between Clean and Rhythm, and you'll keep the same state (bypass/on) for the Chorus when you switch Clean -> Rhythm and always turn off the chorus when you go back to Clean.

4. If you use Songs/Sections mode, you can use multiple presets (via gapless switching, assuming it works well for you) if you need to. It's a way to "hack" the limit of 8 scenes and/or combine scenes from different presets. So, just set up all the sounds you need, spread them out if you have to, and "program" each song.

5. You can send several commands at once via a 3rd party controller....it could be simpler depending on how much of this kind of thing you want to do. As awesome/powerful as the Fractal footswitches are, there are situations where a MIDI controller that can send a lot of messages at once can be more flexible.
 
Jetset95 said:
Hi all, I don't think so, but in case I haven't buried my head into the manual far enough, I'm trying to set up a live Preset using Per Preset to have Scenes and Effects available to me. So I may kick on a Chorus for my Clean scene and then jump to a higher-gain Rhythm scene, but when I want to come back to clean, is there a way I can have the Chorus bypassed without having to switch it manually?
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Scenes do that by default: A scene stores the channel and bypass state of the blocks. If you create a scene with a block bypassed and save the preset, then that state will be stored, and later reapplied when switching to the scene.

From p. 15 in the manual:
In the traditional rig, you can set up and save different combinations and channels: Clean, Rhythm, Lead, etc. Scenes allow you to create saved combinations within a preset. Scenes don’t rewire the rig or change what gear it contains; instead, they switch blocks on or off and change block “Channels.” Each preset contains eight scenes. Like presets, Scenes also have their own names.

Scenes also offer an advantage over presets when making sound changes while you play. When you change scenes, the FM9 does not need to reload the entire “rig.” Instead, it just sets the blocks and channels as needed for the new scene. This is not only faster, but also allows easy “spillover” of delay and reverb tails.

Channels on the FM9 make blocks extremely flexible. Each channel contains its own fully independent set of parameters for the entire block. For example, Channel A of a Drive block might be dialed in as a clean boost, B as an overdrive, C as a distortion, and D as a Fuzz. That’s four completely different drive sounds from just block. This can be used to conserve CPU power when compared to using multiple blocks.
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It'd probably help if you read "Intro to scenes and channels" in the manual as it summarizes it all nicely. More information is in sections 5 and 6.

If the chorus is still engaged when you return to the Clean scene, it might be because you told the modeler to automatically store changes to presets. Setup > Config > Prompt on Edit controls that behavior. See p. 92 in the manual:
When set to ON the unit will prompt before changing an edited preset. This may save you from accidentally losing your edits. NOTE: Be sure to change this to OFF before performing!
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Turn on Scene Revert in the MIDI/Remote menu. That will make any scene load back to its initial saved state when changing scenes. With scene revert off, it will keep any on the fly changes to bypass or channel.
 
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