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Old School Classic Rock - Beatles , Hendrix , Zeppelin , Cream , AC/DC

Boston-Mike-FM9

New Member
Hello all,

So far the FM9 has been great, not sure how anyone else feels about this but-
I think it is much harder to try to duplicate the old school classic rock raw amp in the room tones than it is to duplicate the modern rock.

I am working on creating new presets for Beatles, Zeppelin and more.. and learning as I go.
Seeing I am new here, I can not share till I reach my 10 post per forum rules.

If anyone has anything that may help me, Celestion G12M Pre-Rola 25w cab ir's , Vox AC50 or AC100 captures, please feel free to msg me.

Thanks- Mike
 

FiddlerTheDrum

Inspired
Whole Lotta factory preset will get you going on Zep!

I’ve been having good experiences starting with a factory pre and then customizing to taste depending on how I want my scene to be. They make great building blocks and plenty are just grab and go
 

JasonE

Inspired
Hello all,

So far the FM9 has been great, not sure how anyone else feels about this but-
I think it is much harder to try to duplicate the old school classic rock raw amp in the room tones than it is to duplicate the modern rock.

I am working on creating new presets for Beatles, Zeppelin and more.. and learning as I go.
Seeing I am new here, I can not share till I reach my 10 post per forum rules.

If anyone has anything that may help me, Celestion G12M Pre-Rola 25w cab ir's , Vox AC50 or AC100 captures, please feel free to msg me.

Thanks- Mike

I would agree that it is much easier to get a high gain tone from the FM9 than the classic rock tones. The amp models seem to have a lot of gain on hand to use. I have a Friedman Twin Sister amp so I am familiar with the actual amp circuit that the Dirty Shirley models are built to duplicate. I found that they have much more gain than what I ever run my real amp at. I turned the gain on these amp models down to 1.5 to 2.0 and that is where I started finding more of the tones I was looking for. If you are not familiar with the Dirty Shirley or the Twin Sister amps they are a modified JTM45 40 watt circuit.

I used the combination of a creamback and greenback speakers in the cabinet section.

Another piece of advice I would give is that if you are planning on using your presets live, hook up to a mixer and PA speakers to tweak your tones. You want to get them up to the volume that you will be using them at live. There will be a difference in sound between tweaking them at volume and at a lower volume.

Keep reporting back on how you are doing. I am a clean/low gain/medium gain player. It sounds like we are in a similar range. I am always up for sharing information on getting the most out of these units.
 

electronpirate

Axe-Master
Boy do I disagree. I have NO problems getting classic rock tones. With a variety of amps (Plexi 50 is my fav out of them all.)

I use the Dirty Shirley too. Works just fine with standard PAF pups. My key is that if you don't dial down your volume knob like any MV amp, then yeah, it can be nasty if your preamp volume is high. But all FAS models are designed to do much more than the originals.

The concept of 'I don't like my gain at 1.5 is old thinking. Stop looking at your settings like it should be something. What does it SOUND like.

IMO

R
 

la szum

Fractal Fanatic
Boy do I disagree. I have NO problems getting classic rock tones. With a variety of amps (Plexi 50 is my fav out of them all.)

No kidding! The Marshalls are the THE classic rock amp of choice and the ones in the Fractal are some of the most
amazing amps/models there are. I could just have the Marshalls and be totally happy. :)
 

pedalbuilder

Inspired
In addition to the amps/presets mentioned above, there are lots great classic rock tones that you can find in the Blankenship Leeds, Hiwatt, Gibson Scout, Swart Atomic Space Tone, and any of the Fender models. I’d also recommend pairing the amps with a fuzz or a treble booster (set the input impedance in the input block to 22k+capacitor, then switch the clipping type to germanium, and play with the low cut in the drive block).
 
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Dave Merrill

Fractal Fanatic
Low to mid gain weirdos represent!

Though I do like to mess with some higher gain stuff too, but I think even that's way lower gain than some.

Don't really think of myself as classic rock though.
 

ak301

Power User
Boy do I disagree. I have NO problems getting classic rock tones. With a variety of amps (Plexi 50 is my fav out of them all.)

I use the Dirty Shirley too. Works just fine with standard PAF pups. My key is that if you don't dial down your volume knob like any MV amp, then yeah, it can be nasty if your preamp volume is high. But all FAS models are designed to do much more than the originals.

The concept of 'I don't like my gain at 1.5 is old thinking. Stop looking at your settings like it should be something. What does it SOUND like.

IMO

R

Totally agree, love the DS and I follow the "use your ears not your eyes" rule and don't care what the settings as long as I get my tones, which are predominantly classic rock, which for me, the Fractals, and I started on an AX8, do exceptionally will in my experience
 

JasonE

Inspired
Boy do I disagree. I have NO problems getting classic rock tones. With a variety of amps (Plexi 50 is my fav out of them all.)

I use the Dirty Shirley too. Works just fine with standard PAF pups. My key is that if you don't dial down your volume knob like any MV amp, then yeah, it can be nasty if your preamp volume is high. But all FAS models are designed to do much more than the originals.

The concept of 'I don't like my gain at 1.5 is old thinking. Stop looking at your settings like it should be something. What does it SOUND like.

IMO

R

This seems to be pointed at me by the things mentioned in it. I am not sure how you missed the meaning of my post. Just to clarify, I didn't say I couldn't get the tones to where I like them. I actually said I could by lowering the gain. I also didn't say that I didn't like my gain at 1.5. I am going by sound and not by numbers. My post was that compared to the actual amp the model is of, it isn't really that close. I set the amp knobs just like I would on the actual amp that I own. I was a completely different tone. The Fractal model also doesn't have the structure switches that the real amp has. My whole point was that the two are not really the same. That is all.
 

unix-guy

Legend!
This seems to be pointed at me by the things mentioned in it. I am not sure how you missed the meaning of my post. Just to clarify, I didn't say I couldn't get the tones to where I like them. I actually said I could by lowering the gain. I also didn't say that I didn't like my gain at 1.5. I am going by sound and not by numbers. My post was that compared to the actual amp the model is of, it isn't really that close. I set the amp knobs just like I would on the actual amp that I own. I was a completely different tone. The Fractal model also doesn't have the structure switches that the real amp has. My whole point was that the two are not really the same. That is all.
If you haven't seen this, it's worth a read:

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/why-your-amp-doesnt-sound-like-our-amp.172907/

Also, depending on which amps you're using, the knobs may not translate 1 to 1 (for example amps with knobs that go to 11 or 12).
 

JasonE

Inspired
If you haven't seen this, it's worth a read:

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/why-your-amp-doesnt-sound-like-our-amp.172907/

Also, depending on which amps you're using, the knobs may not translate 1 to 1 (for example amps with knobs that go to 11 or 12).

Thanks for the link. I definitely understand what they are saying in that post. I expected a little difference in where the knobs ended up due to variation in pot values. My Twin Sister isn't even a year old yet. I know Dave is pretty picky about his components. There are some pretty big differences between the model and the real amp IMHO. I don't want to beat this to death. It is just my opinion after spending a number of hours tweaking and dialing things in at various volumes. I am not upset about it. I am able to get it to a tone I like. It is just a little different tone than what I get from the amp.
 

JasonE

Inspired
Yuo. You can say it a million more times than it has already been said. Those tones were neither as gained up
nor as compressed as imagined.

This is spot on. One that I have seen people get wrong a lot is trying to get the tone that Eddie had on their first two albums. I tell people to go back and really listen to those two albums. The guitar tones have nowhere near the amount of gain on them that people think they did.

A cranked up amp sounds very different standing next to it than it does 50 feet out in front of it. I was having a conversation with a guy that was doing a tour with his band. They played a gig that had a guitar playing competition in the middle of it. They asked if they could plug into his rig and use it. He agreed. One of the first guys that plugged into asked him where the overdrive pedal was. He told him there wasn't one. The guy swore that the sound he was hearing near the amp could have in no way been the tone he heard out front. There was no change to the amp or the settings.
 

Tonedeaf

Experienced
I got one of the first Amp In A Box Pedals, the V-Stack. It was a Plexi with a treble booster in front sound. I emailed the guy who built them and asked if he had plans to model a Fender Clean pedal. He said he tried but it was a lot more difficult to do. I wonder if that still holds true. That dirty amps are easier to model than clean ones.
 
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