OK so I have to ask...before I just say...bleh...and stay with the II

grumpops said:
Looking at the fs12..I"m not seeing that it will work anything like the MFC.
I liked having individual control over blocks in a preset, loved the ability to use IAs, and NO desire to add external switches..Have expression and volume pedals now...(and can assign either to anything)..I'm not seeing a lot of this functionality with the 12..it sorta reminds me of a newer and upgraded version of the FCB1010 Behringer pedal
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You can do that extremely easy....
 
grumpops said:
I'm not in a studio...I use this for live playing and I want to look down and SEE EVERYTHING like I do on the MFC..I don't have the luxury of TIME on stage...we get 3 seconds between songs
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12 buttons may seem limiting, but it's really 24 when hold functions are included, and that's just for one layout. You can have the FC automatically switch from preset selection layout to another upon selecting a preset, which gives you 12 (24) more buttons specifically geared to performing. Per-preset switches can be set up so the most important switches per each preset are available. The integration between the AxeFX3 and the FCs is very powerful, and can do a lot....

When you do the math, 12 (24) buttons × 8 layouts = 96 (192) switches. I use 3 layouts in my setup:
  1. one for preset selection, on the left FC
  2. one for scene selection, on the left FC
  3. one for per-preset effects/control switches, on the right FC
When I select a preset, it automatically switches the left unit to the scenes layout. There is also a button to switch between the two layouts. The right FC always shows layout 3. This makes for very quick and easy control of preset selection for the next song. Tap the layout switch and pick the preset. Two taps and you're done. :)
 
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The FC12 is insane. My home screen is a mixture of scenes and most-used utilities, effects, and preset navigation. Hold my preset-up button and that takes me to my first performance page - seven songs per layout along with the scenes to control them and I can scroll back and forth through more layouts (pages) of songs, or jump back to my Home Screen. .. I have stompbox mode in one layout, ...a looper on another layout, and still have a layout to spare.

12 x 2 x 8 layouts of options, all buttons fully customizable with whatever you can imagine doing with them. I honestly thought the FC12 was an overpriced accessory until I started using it. But these layouts change everything. It pairs with the lll perfectly. Both of those things are mind-blowing when you come to grips with them.
 
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The default layouts of the FCs give you more functionality than the MFC (except for song/setlist mode, which is supposedly in the works), and that's just a taste of what you can do and how deeply you can customize your layouts. Scribble strips and per preset switches and overrides give you way more flexibility over what you see and where.

Deep integration of the FCs makes them WAY easier to configure compared to the MFC. It's all done right in Axe Edit and all your FC layouts and configurations get backed up along with the Axe III's global and system settings via Fractal Bot. Everything stays synced up automatically and it also does not have the syncing issues that the MFC had when Axe Edit was running. Axe Edit III and the FC's work flawlessly together. Rename a preset or scene or move a switch or change its label or function and it all instantly updates on the FC.
 
grumpops said:
But I'll need an after market pedal..the FC 6 and 12 offer NOTHING similar to the MFC...
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grumpops said:
I'm not in a studio...I use this for live playing and I want to look down and SEE EVERYTHING like I do on the MFC..I don't have the luxury of TIME on stage...we get 3 seconds between songs
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Unless you have a need to control additional gear with midi then I'd encourage a deeper exploration of the FC-12.

Others have pointed out many reasons already... But except for more immediately visible button states, I can't think of a benefit the MFC has over the FC-12 (also, no set list feature yet). And the FCs much simpler to configure, can be done in Axe-Edit, etc...

Also, a huge benefit in addition to multiple layouts is per-preset switches... Where the MFC has more switches but their function is "static" the FCs can have per-preset switches so you can take better advantage of the switches.
 
Not necessarily the 12-button model - they have an ultra-expensive one as well. As far as the support goes, I don't own the product so I wouldn't know. Was just offering a suggestion, that's all.
 
It’s been a few years, but I remember being able to accomplish almost everything I used to do on the II with the MFC on the III with the MFC using MIDI. I had to do that for a year or two while waiting for the FC to be available. Have you already explored that option vs buying a new midi controller?
 
jyflorida said:
Not necessarily the 12-button model - they have an ultra-expensive one as well. As far as the support goes, I don't own the product so I wouldn't know. Was just offering a suggestion, that's all.
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No worries, just the link you posted was for the LF-12+...

Yeah, nightmares stories...

If you really want something like that (or the OP does) then RJM is probably the best option... But if he thinks the FCs are expensive he's in for a real shock with those or the LF stuff ;)
 
unix-guy said:
No worries, just the link you posted was for the LF-12+...

Yeah, nightmares stories...

If you really want something like that (or the OP does) then RJM is probably the best option... But if he thinks the FCs are expensive he's in for a real shock with those or the LF stuff ;)
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Sounds like these guys need a lesson in customer service from FAS.
 
grumpops said:
I'm not in a studio...I use this for live playing and I want to look down and SEE EVERYTHING like I do on the MFC..I don't have the luxury of TIME on stage...we get 3 seconds between songs
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I only play live, use a lot of effects, and use a different preset for every song. Trust me when I say you'll do less tap dancing with the FC-12 than to do with the MFC-101. (I use an FC-6 with 2 external switches and 3 Mission expression pedals. It all fits on the same pedalboard that used to hold the MFC-101 and 2 expression pedals.)
 
unix-guy said:
Unless you have a need to control additional gear with midi then I'd encourage a deeper exploration of the FC-12.

Others have pointed out many reasons already... But except for more immediately visible button states, I can't think of a benefit the MFC has over the FC-12 (also, no set list feature yet). And the FCs much simpler to configure, can be done in Axe-Edit, etc...

Also, a huge benefit in addition to multiple layouts is per-preset switches... Where the MFC has more switches but their function is "static" the FCs can have per-preset switches so you can take better advantage of the switches.
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I am...I'm controlling the drummer's E Drums, and efx for 4 mics, as well as lights if we are in a venue that doesn't have house sound and lights (Only three of 15 casinos in this area don't)
I'm controlling it via a click...CASINOS require backing tracks...
They pay very well..(weddings even pay more but..you're paying for access by a BRIDEZILLA sometimes...lol)
But because they pay well, they get to call the tune so to speak.

I actually prefer the static switches.
I don't have a time luxury on stage.
I have presets for specific uses...Since I"m doing covers, I need to have a myriad of guitar sounds from crystal clear clean to Eddy VH or Tom Schols screamer and about 6 variations of that in between.
I want access to my guitar effects in real time.

I do three 1 hour sets of 15-17 songs per set.
And the genre can go from pop of Today to Bon Jovi so, again, I don't have a time luxury...in those venues that don't have house sound and lights, I'm also running sound while playing...(that's a load of fun sometimes...I use a routing that allows me to switch what's in my ears to the mains feed)

That liquid foot 24 looked interesting and says it's already designed to work with the Ultra I, II, and III.
(and all are out of stock...every liquid foot on their site says OUT OF STOCK...lol)
 
grumpops said:
I am...I'm controlling the drummer's E Drums, and efx for 4 mics, as well as lights if we are in a venue that doesn't have house sound and lights (Only three of 15 casinos in this area don't)
I'm controlling it via a click...CASINOS require backing tracks...
They pay very well..(weddings even pay more but..you're paying for access by a BRIDEZILLA sometimes...lol)
But because they pay well, they get to call the tune so to speak.

I actually prefer the static switches.
I don't have a time luxury on stage.
I have presets for specific uses...Since I"m doing covers, I need to have a myriad of guitar sounds from crystal clear clean to Eddy VH or Tom Schols screamer and about 6 variations of that in between.
I want access to my guitar effects in real time.

I do three 1 hour sets of 15-17 songs per set.
And the genre can go from pop of Today to Bon Jovi so, again, I don't have a time luxury...in those venues that don't have house sound and lights, I'm also running sound while playing...(that's a load of fun sometimes...I use a routing that allows me to switch what's in my ears to the mains feed)

That liquid foot 24 looked interesting and says it's already designed to work with the Ultra I, II, and III.
(and all are out of stock...every liquid foot on their site says OUT OF STOCK...lol)
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Wow - I thought I was doing some heavy lifting at prior Incubus Tribute Band (didn’t have an Axe at the time).

great stuff!
 
grumpops said:
Well, ya'll are great sales peeps for CLiff...lol
I'm really torn now..but the idea of paying $1,200 to $1,800 is kinda silly....guess it's gonna be whatever learning curve exists with the FC
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It really is a well integrated controller with a lot of functionality.
 
grumpops said:
there was a learning curve to make the move from TUBE SNOB to TONE SNOB...then came learning midi...no keyboardist so, had to do it myself..lol
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I get the learning midi. Had an ada and a g-major to control with an FCB1010 w uno at the time - had to learn it all on my own. Great times! :)
 
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