[NOT A BUG] 2290 w/mod Delay

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jarabuandi

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His all,
I'm using the 2290 w/mod delay for my presets and everything was working fine...until yesterday. I'm playing and all of the sudden there's no more delay. So here is what I tried to fix the problem:
- re-started Axe-Edit
- re-started the Axe-fx 2
- unplugged the USB cable
- reset the delay block
- created new preset
Nothing seems to work. I've tried a few other Delay blocks (4-5 at least) with no issues. It's just the 2290. Any help?
 
Famous "not-a-bug". The 2290 depends on stereo output. If the signal is summed to mono somewhere, you won't hear the trails. So check your preset and I/O settings.
 
yek said:
Famous "not-a-bug". The 2290 depends on stereo output. If the signal is summed to mono somewhere, you won't hear the trails. So check your preset and I/O settings.
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I'm very happy that it's a Famous 'not-a bug' as it is my main delay.I just want to know how to fix it. I do not mess with any adv settings. First page for me will do. My delay are in series after the cab block in default settings.
 
Toopy14 said:
Check the Phase Reverse setting and make sure it's set to 'None'.

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@Toopy14 mate you're a champ! That did the trick....:D.. I've got a gig tonight and didn't want go through all my preset and make last minute changes :eek:. Thanks hips for your help.

One thing though, @yek said its not a bug which which fair enough but how then did that parameter change.?..and how on earth didi it change in all my presets (over 20 that I use) all at the same time!!!! There 's no global blocks attached to the delay and as I said I do not mess around with adv param.
 
Maybe you turned a global parameter to mono, such as the Cab block, or you changed an I/O setting?
 
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yek said:
Maybe you turned a global parameter to mono, such as the Cab block, or you changed an I/O setting?
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Which param would I have changed? As I said I don't mess around with adv settings and that parameter is a very specific one.
 
I can't find where you mentioned how you are monitoring this. Is this a mono rig, or stereo? If you have Output 1 set to Sum L+R vs Stereo (or copy L-R), you'll get the phase cancellation and won't hear the delay.
 
jarabuandi said:
@Toopy14 mate you're a champ! That did the trick....:D.. I've got a gig tonight and didn't want go through all my preset and make last minute changes :eek:. Thanks hips for your help.

One thing though, @yek said its not a bug which which fair enough but how then did that parameter change.?..and how on earth didi it change in all my presets (over 20 that I use) all at the same time!!!! There 's no global blocks attached to the delay and as I said I do not mess around with adv param.
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That's not the correct fix. The reason you're not hearing the delays is because you're summing to mono somewhere. The default value of that parameter is not "None".
 
FractalAudio said:
That's not the correct fix. The reason you're not hearing the delays is because you're summing to mono somewhere. The default value of that parameter is not "None".
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Sorry mate, what do you mean by "That's not the correct fix"? Those presets with the 2290 delay have not been changed or modified (except for FM updates). I was actually practicing and getting ready for my gig...all good no issues. Turn the axe off, came back a couple of hours later, turneswiched the Axe back on and the delay was gone! Now, Im not saying that I didn't do some thing just don't know what. I'm not changing anything just before a gig. Still puzzled o_O
 
I had a look at my presets after Cliff's post and I found exactly what he said...I had a block after the delay that was set to Sum L+R. I changed it to L, then set the Phase Reverse back to Left and the delay worked fine.
 
Toopy14 said:
I had a look at my presets after Cliff's post and I found exactly what he said...I had a block after the delay that was set to Sum L+R. I changed it to L, then set the Phase Reverse back to Left and the delay worked fine.
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Didi you changed that? Just asking because I don'y change those settings. Before I change it to 'None' as you and Cliff pointed out it was set to right. I didn't change that on purpose....and again...on all my presets ay once! Weird to say there least!
 
jarabuandi said:
I don'y change those settings. Before I change it to 'None' as you and Cliff pointed out it was set to right. I didn't change that on purpose....and again...on all my presets ay once! Weird to say there least!
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If it happened on all your presets at once, then something changed your output to mono, either in the Axe itself (global settings, a global block...) or in something else (monitoring system, mixer...).

The default configuration for the 2290 delay is to have one side phase-inverted, and that will always make the delay disappear when the output is collapsed to mono.
 
jarabuandi said:
Didi you changed that? Just asking because I don'y change those settings. Before I change it to 'None' as you and Cliff pointed out it was set to right. I didn't change that on purpose....and again...on all my presets ay once! Weird to say there least!
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I didn't change it. When I first created the preset, the Phase Reverse was set to Left or Right, so there was no delay sound. That's when I read about changing it to none. Not sure what the default setting for blocks is, whether it's L+R, L, R, etc. Mine were set to L+R.

To answer your question though, I don't ever recall having the same thing happen that you did.
 
Rex said:
If it happened on all your presets at once, then something changed your output to mono, either in the Axe itself (global settings, a global block...) or in something else (monitoring system, mixer...).

The default configuration for the 2290 delay is to have one side phase-inverted, and that will always make the delay disappear when the output is collapsed to mono.
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No idea mate...the only things i didi different was to connect my 2x12 cab to output 1 (as I always due when gigging). My usual home setup is through headphone only for quite practising.

I wouldn't know what Global block (I don'y have any setup) or global settings this would change.
 
Toopy14 said:
I didn't change it. When I first created the preset, the Phase Reverse was set to Left or Right, so there was no delay sound. That's when I read about changing it to none. Not sure what the default setting for blocks is, whether it's L+R, L, R, etc. Mine were set to L+R.

To answer your question though, I don't ever recall having the same thing happen that you did.
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Looks like I'll have to live with that but if it happens again I know now were to look. Thanks again for your help :)
 
jarabuandi said:
...the only things i didi different was to connect my 2x12 cab to output 1 (as I always due when gigging). My usual home setup is through headphone only for quite practising.
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Your 'phones are stereo. Your cab is mono.
 
jarabuandi said:
How does this change the Axe settings ....and why now all of the sudden?
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It doesn't change the Axe settings. It collapses your signal to mono. Left and right get mixed together, and the two out-of-phase delays cancel each other out. Poof! No more delay.

Rex said:
...something changed your output to mono, either in the Axe itself (global settings, a global block...) or in something else (monitoring system, mixer...).
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