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More gain in 11.01

yankeedudlizz

New Member
hi there

it seems to me the same presets have more gain since i have updated to 11.01. clean presets don't sound so clean anymore.

am i the only one with this issue? any chance to get the same gain settings like it was in 11.00?
 

AlGrenadine

Axe-Master
Probably related to the default triode hardness.
I noticed sometimes a higher triode hardness make clean preset a little dirtier.
 

RDH

Fractal Fanatic
Wow! Strange things go on with ears and perception! I thought the added triode hardness made a lot of the cleans not as dirty!!! and don't hear more gain on driven tones ( about the same , maybe a bit more defined)???
 

FractalAudio

Administrator
Fractal Audio Systems
Moderator
Wow! Strange things go on with ears and perception! I thought the added triode hardness made a lot of the cleans not as dirty!!! and don't hear more gain on driven tones ( about the same , maybe a bit more defined)???
Same here.
 

notalemming

Fractal Fanatic
I just updated to 11.1 this morning & think it sounds great! Much better definition with the triode hardness at the correct settings. I haven't noticed any of my clean amps being dirtier or gainier & I am very particular about cleans. I have many the are crystal clean & they all sound great now. To get a little more sparkle, I will add .010 to the triode hardness on some amps, ex: 9.500 to 9.510.
 

FractalAudio

Administrator
Fractal Audio Systems
Moderator
I just updated to 11.1 this morning & think it sounds great! Much better definition with the triode hardness at the correct settings. I haven't noticed any of my clean amps being dirtier or gainier & I am very particular about cleans. I have many the are crystal clean & they all sound great now. To get a little more sparkle, I will add .010 to the triode hardness on some amps, ex: 9.500 to 9.510.
If you are right on the edge of breakup the triode hardness is very powerful as it controls the harmonic series. Higher values will cause the overtone series to have a less steep decay and will increase perceived "sparkle". Together with the preamp bias you can control how chimey and "round" the tone is (preamp bias effectively controls the ratio of even/odd harmonics).
 

notalemming

Fractal Fanatic
If you are right on the edge of breakup the triode hardness is very powerful as it controls the harmonic series. Higher values will cause the overtone series to have a less steep decay and will increase perceived "sparkle". Together with the preamp bias you can control how chimey and "round" the tone is (preamp bias effectively controls the ratio of even/odd harmonics).
I need to explore pre amp bias more. Would higher or lower settings yield a rounder tone? I just read the manual on it but it didn't really say how changing the default settings would effect the tone. Thanks!
 

MikeyB59

Power User
If you are right on the edge of breakup the triode hardness is very powerful as it controls the harmonic series. Higher values will cause the overtone series to have a less steep decay and will increase perceived "sparkle". Together with the preamp bias you can control how chimey and "round" the tone is (preamp bias effectively controls the ratio of even/odd harmonics).
That's a great piece of information. I look forward to exploring those parameters on the edge of breakup. Thanks for the tip and for all the work making the current FW so amazing.
 

FractalAudio

Administrator
Fractal Audio Systems
Moderator
I need to explore pre amp bias more. Would higher or lower settings yield a rounder tone? I just read the manual on it but it didn't really say how changing the default settings would effect the tone. Thanks!
The further you move away from (roughly) zero the more even harmonics are introduced. It's an asymmetric transfer function so you have to experiment.
 

RDH

Fractal Fanatic
If you are right on the edge of breakup the triode hardness is very powerful as it controls the harmonic series. Higher values will cause the overtone series to have a less steep decay and will increase perceived "sparkle". Together with the preamp bias you can control how chimey and "round" the tone is (preamp bias effectively controls the ratio of even/odd harmonics).
Awesome !good to know!Thanks!
 

RDH

Fractal Fanatic
LOL! Just noticed Cliff! Santas Pelotas de Caca!! Found a few under my chair while auditioning V11!:)!!
 

Ka_Status

Member
I've got same thing. I just tried Bassguy 65 factory preset with lowering Input Gain down to 2.0 value and still got quite a hot sound with 490R neck of my Gibson Studio. Is it right? I wanted to get pristine clean sound.
 

Phostenix

Power User
I've got same thing. I just tried Bassguy 65 factory preset with lowering Input Gain down to 2.0 value and still got quite a hot sound with 490R neck of my Gibson Studio. Is it right? I wanted to get pristine clean sound.
Is your Input Select set to SUM L+R or just Left? Is your Input Trim set to 1.00?
 

flyingfadr

Power User
If you are right on the edge of breakup the triode hardness is very powerful as it controls the harmonic series. Higher values will cause the overtone series to have a less steep decay and will increase perceived "sparkle". Together with the preamp bias you can control how chimey and "round" the tone is (preamp bias effectively controls the ratio of even/odd harmonics).
LOVE this kind of info !
 
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