Again, if you use USB signal from out1 there's a chance you're actually clipping the output and not the input. OUT1 block boosts the signal by 18 dB so the results you get tell you nothing useful.Ok folks, you need to help me figure out what the hell is going on.
Empty preset, in1->out1. Recording from USB. As always, switching input sensitivity after each strum, 0 to 6 to 12 to 18 via the hardware I/O section, not FM3-Edit. Recording in Cubase, Control Panel - Asio buffer size 512 samples. Strumming the hell out of the strings with an open Em11 or "Back in Black" intro, results are the same.
Take 1, with OUT1 at full volume, USB levels 1dB (default).
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Take 2, OUT1 50%, USB levels -8dB - SAME graph. Take 3, OUT 1 ~15%, USB levels -24dB - same graph! Take 4&5, experimenting with different values. Last highlighted clip is simply playing some random licks and chords, with the bend on the 3rd in the end.
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FM3 settings during the last take:
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What's going on?
Not talking about input level at all, talking about A/D Sensitivity setting. If you crank that to 100% and you dont get the “INPUT CLIPPING!!!” prompt on the unit, you’re not plugged in.I have two MK1s and two MKII Turbos, and my experience is the same as Yek's. I do not notice a difference between them in terms of input level or clipping. Maybe I missed it in all the responses, but I didn't see anyone else directly comparing different AxeFx units -- not sure where the conclusion is coming from that the MKII is more sensitive.
I am able to crank the input level to 100% on a MKII and play normally without clipping when using my Asher resonator guitar, which has a gold foil pickup. That level is too hot for most of my other guitars though. (Right now I've got my input level set at 58%.)
When you say "regardless of pickup/guitar"... what specifically did you do to eliminate the pickup/guitar as a variable? Have you tested with someone else's guitars that aren't setup like yours? Have you made any adjustments -- pickup height, string gauge, etc -- and completed an A/B test with only that change in order to rule it out?
It seems to reason that the main variable in terms of input level would be the thing generating the input signal, which is the guitar. It also seems unlikely any differences between AxeFX units would be a contributing factor as that is the least likely thing to vary here. (They use interchangeable input board PCBs/circuitry; it's digitally controlled; the components are high quality with low variance; etc.) Guitars, on the other hand -- including how they are setup, and how they are played -- vary wildly.
I did -24dB with the same result, with the Out1 ~15%. It's clearly defined in the post.PS: or, in alternative, turn down the level parameter in the OUT1 block to -18 dB
Not talking about input level at all, talking about A/D Sensitivity setting. If you crank that to 100% and you dont get the “INPUT CLIPPING!!!” prompt on the unit, you’re not plugged in.
There is also https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/help-with-input1-level.136990/post-1624347
Thats from 5 years ago where A/D Sensitivity wasn’t even a control! This was input gain!Not true. 100% is perfectly doable with low output guitars as per the man himself.
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/help-with-input1-level.136990/#post-1624341
Why though. Surely you'd always want to know when you're clipping? I.e. why would you ever NOT want to know you're clipping?
From what I see in your screenshot you turned down USB playback levels which have nothing to do with OUT1.I did -24dB with the same result, with the Out1 ~15%. It's clearly defined in the post.
It shows up as a big box on the front screen on the unit, if/when it happens.Ok, stupid question time:
Where does the clip indicator warning show up? Front panel? Axe-Edit?
I ask because I have yet to encounter an issue and my pickups, while not overly hot, certainly aren't low output.
I'm seeing this cause so much consternation to so many that I'm worried I'm just missing the indicator...
Thats from 5 years ago where A/D Sensitivity wasn’t even a control! This was input gain!
Thats from 5 years ago where A/D Sensitivity wasn’t even a control! This was input gain!
What difference does it make how/where it shows up???But there's definitely better ways to handle it. If it clips for one note, it's not the end of the world so do we really need a huge ass "INPUT 1 clipping!" message, or could it just show a little warning icon above the Input 1 meter in the Meters view?
EDIT: For more severe, longer lasting clipping it could pop up the message.
Amen. Worked for me. I turned down to 15% from 50% and sounds great. Output levels didn't change.What difference does it make how/where it shows up???
If you see it, you turn down the input sensitivity until it no longer shows up, then forget about it. Done!
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None taken, thanks for the reply! I'll restart all tomorrow after reading the manual. I'll keep the results to myself so the thread can focus on the original topic.That's why I suggested reading the manual, you have pretty confused ideas about what those controls do. No offense
You can share your results if you want, actually I'm quite interested in seeing them!None taken, thanks for the reply! I'll restart all tomorrow after reading the manual. I'll keep the results to myself so the thread can focus on the original topic.
Not talking about input level at all, talking about A/D Sensitivity setting. If you crank that to 100% and you dont get the “INPUT CLIPPING!!!” prompt on the unit, you’re not plugged in.
NNNooo! - the idea is to set your guitar up as you want it to sound, not changed to conform to any digital gears' A/D conversion constraints.Just use a screwdriver to put the pickup down