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Hold the line - Toto - Harmonizer Settings

vistalee

Member
Hi guys,

I'm trying to build a proper Sound for my take on Hold the Line by Toto.
I just lack the knowledge of music theory on how to setup the harmonizer properly. (Last part of the Solo)
Could you guys help me out and perhaps teach me the theory of muisic on how to figure out the right settings.
I would be very thankful.
In return I could post my patch although you might not be too interested since you knowhow to do it :-D
 

spv

Inspired
Hi there.

Here's how I do it. Put a pitch block somewhere after the preamp, set to "Intel Harm" (PAGE 1), then on PAGE 2, set your key to "Gb" and the scale to "Aeolian minor" -- basically setting up for a natural minor harmony. Set "Voice 1" to -3 and Voice 1 level to 100%. Make sure Voice 2 level is zero. On the MIX page, I set the MIX to 34.4%, the level to 2.2 db, balance to 0.0, bypass mode to THRU and GLBL MIX to OFF. I then use Footswitch 12 on the MFC to engage the harmonizer during the last two measures of the solo. It may not be exactly right, but it does the trick live. I'm thinking of having an expression pedal mix it in instead of the footswitch, but that's an easy enough change to make.

Good luck!
 

craiguitar

Power User
Hi there.

Here's how I do it. Put a pitch block somewhere after the preamp, set to "Intel Harm" (PAGE 1), then on PAGE 2, set your key to "Gb" and the scale to "Aeolian minor" -- basically setting up for a natural minor harmony. Set "Voice 1" to -3 and Voice 1 level to 100%. Make sure Voice 2 level is zero. On the MIX page, I set the MIX to 34.4%, the level to 2.2 db, balance to 0.0, bypass mode to THRU and GLBL MIX to OFF. I then use Footswitch 12 on the MFC to engage the harmonizer during the last two measures of the solo. It may not be exactly right, but it does the trick live. I'm thinking of having an expression pedal mix it in instead of the footswitch, but that's an easy enough change to make.

Good luck!

Yes, I do roughly the same thing, but I do use an expression pedal to bring in the harmonizer for the end of the solo. Reason being, I leave my foot parked on the pedal, so I don't need to look down and push a seperate button, which would distract me from my actual playing.
 

craiguitar

Power User
Thank you very much for your help guys. I will try that out this week!
You are great!
No worries. What I also do to add a bit more depth is set the detune on Voice 1 to -1.6ct, and the delay to 8.0ms. Then I also set Voice 2 harmony to -3 and the detune at -1.2ct and the delay to 16ms. Then I pan both voices Left & right. All a matter of 'adjust to taste' I suppose.
 

Bakerman

Axe-Master
There's another part made of 5ths & 6ths below the top part. Here's a preset with Pitch 2 configured for that, while Pitch 1 does the 3rds.

Custom scale (F# minor no 6th) gets most of the right notes with harmony at -5. Pitch as harmony modifier source changes that to -6 to get E instead of F# on beat 4, where the top note is C#. (A global scale & custom shift mode could get the right notes, but some bends wouldn't be completely smooth.)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/vay7kx6ud9x1u2w/holdthelineharmony.zip

xRxb2kL.png


 
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vistalee

Member
There's another part made of 5ths & 6ths below the top part. Here's a preset with Pitch 2 configured for that, while Pitch 1 does the 3rds.

Custom scale (F# minor no 6th) gets most of the right notes with harmony at -5. Pitch as harmony modifier source changes that to -6 to get E instead of F# on beat 4, where the top note is C#. (A global scale & custom shift mode could get the right notes, but some bends wouldn't be completely smooth.)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/axefx/harmony/holdthelineharmony.zip

holdtheline-harm.png




holy christ you just blew my mind with that post. I think I need to read that a couple of times over before I get the gist of it :-D
 

spv

Inspired
Yes, I do roughly the same thing, but I do use an expression pedal to bring in the harmonizer for the end of the solo. Reason being, I leave my foot parked on the pedal, so I don't need to look down and push a seperate button, which would distract me from my actual playing.

I like this as I have missed the button more than once covering it live ;-). I figured expression pedal would be a good solution to this!
 

spv

Inspired
There's another part made of 5ths & 6ths below the top part. Here's a preset with Pitch 2 configured for that, while Pitch 1 does the 3rds.

Custom scale (F# minor no 6th) gets most of the right notes with harmony at -5. Pitch as harmony modifier source changes that to -6 to get E instead of F# on beat 4, where the top note is C#. (A global scale & custom shift mode could get the right notes, but some bends wouldn't be completely smooth.)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28651/axefx/harmony/holdthelineharmony.zip

holdtheline-harm.png



Very clever!
 

tommyh

Member
There's another part made of 5ths & 6ths below the top part. Here's a preset with Pitch 2 configured for that, while Pitch 1 does the 3rds.

Custom scale (F# minor no 6th) gets most of the right notes with harmony at -5. Pitch as harmony modifier source changes that to -6 to get E instead of F# on beat 4, where the top note is C#. (A global scale & custom shift mode could get the right notes, but some bends wouldn't be completely smooth.)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/vay7kx6ud9x1u2w/holdthelineharmony.zip

xRxb2kL.png


 

tommyh

Member
I'm also using an AX 8 there's only one Pitch effect ,where as the AXE FX has 2, need to figure a work around ; any ideas?
 

ak301

Power User
When I'm back at mu mac I'll post the harmony settings I've been using or the patch up if you'd prefer
 
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