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Help with setting up preset from “Master of puppets”

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im trying to replicate james hetfields setup for master of puppets i ran across this information and not sure how to set it up like this ive never done it or heard of it being done.

"For Master of Puppets both James and Kirk started using Mesa Boogie amps. They were both playing through Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ slaved into moded 100W Marshall JCM800s used on the previous album"

ive found the amp head he used (marshall) and a mesa one but not the mark IIc+ he also used a jc 120. my question is how do i set up a master/slave situation with shunts and amps? i know how to run them paralell but not as master/slave.
 

Muad'zin

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If memory serves me right slaved usually means effects loop out of the main amp into the effects return of the slaved amp. Which would mean you'd bypass the preamp section of the Marshalls but still use their power amp section.
 

Limebranch

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Yes - preamp from Mesa IIC++ into the Marshall poweramp on MOP is what I’ve heard too. You cannot re-create this exactly as preamp and poweramp modelling cannot be separated in Axe as far as I know. Best bet would be to use the USA IIC++ amp Model and then alter the poweramp tab to try to replicate the Marshall power amp. However you should probably be able to come quite close only with the IIC++ model as it is. For the cleans use the Jazz 120 model.
 

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Yeah I guess I could just use two patches. I not sure how to get fx loops to work anyhow.

So it would be fx loop - amp - cab-

Have tried but the examples I have are totally different with two rows of shunts
 

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couldn't you just use a marshall amp model and then change the preamp section to a mark style preamp?
Not certain I’ve never tried to make a patch using a bands exact gear. It’s a good idea. Don’t see why it couldn’t work only technically I believe it would be reversed -power amp from the marshall and pre from the JC 120 now I’m confused. :p
 

Rob61091

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No you have to use the marshall as the amp model because you can't change the poweramp but you can change the preamp. Honestly you should just try to tonematch it.
 

jlynnb1

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I'd just not get caught up in what they did and dial in something accurate with what we have in the box...I understand striving for accuracy but you can drive yourself crazy trying to replicate some things
 

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I thought tonatching was for matching real world amps? From the tutorials I’ve watched it shows them using the front panel. I’ve only owned this axe for about three weeks everyone has suggested I not mess with it till I get down a lot more
 

Rob61091

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I thought tonatching was for matching real world amps? From the tutorials I’ve watched it shows them using the front panel. I’ve only owned this axe for about three weeks everyone has suggested I not mess with it till I get down a lot more
No you can tonematch from tracks you play on your computer! Look up some tutorials on YouTube for how to do it.
 

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Well I figured if the master/slave thing wasn’t that complex it would be easier than tone matching. Guys on the forums were saying it’s pretty easy to screw up tone match.

Does it work with just like a YouTube audio clip cause I don’t have any software to isolate guitar frequencies only
 

Rob61091

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Well I figured if the master/slave thing wasn’t that complex it would be easier than tone matching. Guys on the forums were saying it’s pretty easy to screw up tone match.

Does it work with just like a YouTube audio clip cause I don’t have any software to isolate guitar frequencies only
Yeah I've used it with youtube before. You can only do it with guitar only tracks though. There's a guitar only track on youtube for master of puppets. Just look up the directions for how to tonematch.
 

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ive tried either i'm doing something wrong or the tonematch doesnt sound as good as just using shunts and blocks. i beleive metallica has always used marshall 1960 a cabs so i just replicated block by block their studio setup for master of puppets.
 

Rob61091

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ive tried either i'm doing something wrong or the tonematch doesnt sound as good as just using shunts and blocks. i beleive metallica has always used marshall 1960 a cabs so i just replicated block by block their studio setup for master of puppets.
You're probably doing something wrong. Make sure you are following the directions properly.
 

Andy_V

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ive tried either i'm doing something wrong or the tonematch doesnt sound as good as just using shunts and blocks. i beleive metallica has always used marshall 1960 a cabs so i just replicated block by block their studio setup for master of puppets.
You won't get that tone just by using the different models and IR's that seem to be as close as possible to the original setup of the puppets recording session. Most important, try different stuff in case of IR's and use your ears, compare it to the sound of the record until you are happy with the result.

It is basicly possible to use only the preamp of the USA IIC++ (instead of a drive block) into a Brit800 vor example, but I never really tried by myself using an amp block instead of a drive.
Otherwise I would only go for the IIC++ or the USA Lead Mid Gain, scoop out most of the mids and use a certain amount of presence.

Free yourself from only trying out the stuff, James used during the recording. That's almost impossible. And personally, I would not go for any kind of tonematch, because it is not necessary and will not suddenly make it sound like that.
If your result is already about 95%, what you are looking for, you can try to reach 97% or 98% by tonematching.
 
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