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Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
USA81,943+13,7321,177+1501,86478,9022,1122484
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
Italy80,589+6,2038,215+71210,36162,0133,6121,333136
Spain56,347+6,8324,154+5077,01545,1783,1661,20589
Germany43,646+6,323262+565,67337,711235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France29,155+3,9221,696+3654,94822,5113,37544726
 
Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
USA81,943+13,7321,177+1501,86478,9022,1122484
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
Italy80,589+6,2038,215+71210,36162,0133,6121,333136
Spain56,347+6,8324,154+5077,01545,1783,1661,20589
Germany43,646+6,323262+565,67337,711235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France29,155+3,9221,696+3654,94822,5113,37544726
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Yeah thats not a good look for the govt., when people start catching on that China's population is way larger and USA had months to prepare.

A good chunk of the country will NEVER catch on and will insist that either this whole thing is overblown or that we're doing a great job of handling it.
 
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Not with a president who did nothing except calling the corona virus an hoax. And his approval rating is supposedly rising, wtf America?

I have to say I underestimated some important points in this whole situation.

Relax. It's April soon, then it will just miraculously go away... <insertAccordeonGesture>
 
Louisianna one of five US states to report 500 new cases in a single day. Their massive outbreak spike
is being blamed on the recent Mardi Gras, held on February 25th - just over 4 weeks ago.

Think about all of the filled restaurants, movie theaters, sporting events, packed clubs and bars, etc.
around that same date all over the US.
Raise your hand if you DO NOT know some people who weren't taking this seriously at the end of last month.
 
Louisianna one of five US states to report 500 new cases in a single day. Their massive outbreak spike
is being blamed on the recent Mardi Gras, held on February 25th - just over 4 weeks ago.

Think about all of the filled restaurants, movie theaters, sporting events, packed clubs and bars, etc.
around that same date all over the US.
Raise your hand if you DO NOT know some people who weren't taking this seriously at the end of last month.
Given that the incubation period is in an average 5 days stretching to 14, why would we see a spike now? Probably because of increased testing- then they should be seeing high ILI numbers beginning March.
 
Anyone who thinks things aren't that bad should look at today's statistics:
60K+ new cases. 2800 new deaths.

The rate of growth is not slowing. Increasing by an order of magnitude every 8 days. By the end of April there will be over 500M cases and 25M dead.
 
Perhaps some small reasons for optimism:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/oxford-epidemiologist-heres-why-that-doomsday-model-is-likely-way-off

https://www.dailywire.com/news/epid...admits-he-was-wrong-drastically-revises-model

Punch line: it's possible this had spread more widely earlier than was known and that we might therefore be at a later stage of the pandemic than we presume. Changes nothing about present circumstances of course.
WRT the second article:


Along with what I mentioned in my previous comment, that debunks both of those optimism pieces for me.
 
I think I believe the USA number, here...

Country,
Other
Total
Cases
New
Cases
Total
Deaths
New
Deaths
Total
Recovered
Active
Cases
Serious,
Critical
Tot Cases/
1M pop
Tot Deaths/
1M pop
USA81,943+13,7321,177+1501,86478,9022,1122484
China81,285+673,287+674,0513,9471,235562
Italy80,589+6,2038,215+71210,36162,0133,6121,333136
Spain56,347+6,8324,154+5077,01545,1783,1661,20589
Germany43,646+6,323262+565,67337,711235213
Iran29,406+2,3892,234+15710,45716,7152,74635027
France29,155+3,9221,696+3654,94822,5113,37544726

...in the sense that, now that we're testing for it, we can see it.

I would love to see 5 new columns in this table:
  • NT => Sev. Sym (New Tests Conducted of Persons With Severe Symptoms)
  • NT => Mod. Sym (New Tests Conducted of Persons With Moderate Symptoms)
  • NT => Mild Sym (New Tests Conducted of Persons With Mild Symptoms)
  • NT => Asym+C (New Tests Conducted of Asymptomatic Persons with a known contact with a person who tested positive)
  • NT => Asym+NC (New Tests Conducted of Asymptomatic Persons with a NO known contacts with persons who tested positive)

My guess is that, in the U.S.A., we'd see something like the following numbers (at least, in their rough proportions):
NT => Sev. Sym: 20,000 tests
NT => Mod. Sym: 5,000 tests
NT => Mild Sym: 1,000 tests
NT => Asym+C: 500 tests
NT => Asym+NC: 63 tests

In short, I'm betting that we actually had 500,000 cases last week, of which we'd tested and gotten positives for 65,000 or so, testing mostly only the folk who came in with severe symptoms (and not all of them). And I'm also betting that as more tests become available, we'll be gradually expanding the testing into other categories (first the Moderate Symptom folks, then the Mild Symptoms, and eventually the Asymptomatics). But I bet we haven't done that very much yet. Maybe some in New York; but certainly not nationwide.

Even more briefly: I think the chart's "(Known) New Cases" is as much a consequence of "New Testing," as of "New Infections."

Maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to know, one way or the other.

But without knowing who we were testing last week, and how often,
and who we're testing this week, and how often,
the increasing caseload number seems more potentially deceptive than helpful.

I think I agree with @creativespiral about focusing on the number of new deaths.

To focus on deaths seems logical because, for any given age range, with any given rough health profile, the lethality of COVID-19 shouldn't vary much from country-to-country provided the country in question has a first-world medical system that isn't yet overburdened.

(By "age range" I mean 60-69, and by "rough health profile," I mean things like "in perfect health" vs. "one chronic condition" vs. "two chronic conditions.")

Now those are all things for which we should be able to obtain reliable case data (excluding places like China or Iran). With that data in-hand, we could do some cool things:

1. We could "normalize" the ages and health profiles from one country to another. (That is, if the virus were 11.006% lethal in Italy, but the median age in Italy is 52, and the median age in the U.S. is 38, then we could break down the Italian sample-set by age and rebalance the ages to estimate its likely lethality in the U.S.)

2. We know the numbers of deaths for most countries pretty reliably; whereas no country (so far as I know) has yet randomly tested the general population to estimate the overall percentage of the population infected. But if so much as one or two countries would do that, we could then get a ratio of actual infections to deaths. And then we could look at the deaths in any country, and estimate how many infections that represented.
 
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