unix-guy
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But compare the population of the US vs France or S Korea...
By percentage of the population I think we're probably bottom of the list
But compare the population of the US vs France or S Korea...
You say that, but you’re wiping down your steering wheel, shifter, and door handle before you get out of your car..? I don’t get it.I wonder how people will take it when they discover that the only way through this wringer is to get the virus and acquire immunity. That's not quite obvious from the current messaging if you're in the US, and it IMO should be. If you don't get it now, you'll get it in the fall. When they say "flatten the curve", the area under the curve stays about the same: 50-70% of the US population, same as H1N1 and other epidemics.
Right. But I think your suggested message of “get the virus and acquire immunity” would only work against that goal.You don't want to be sick when everyone else is and when there's no proven therapeutic.
Re: masks
you folks know you're screwed if it gets in your eye(s) too?
If we all just suddenly got the virus we'd be screwed. Plain and simple. Way more chaos and anarchy than what's kinda coming with the imminent overloading of our healthcare system. Delay, prepare, slow the spread.. Wait till the vaccine comes out or they start lacing our water with quinine or anti-malarial drugs.Cases per million are way, way low still, but that's not a real number. They'll increase significantly and quickly as more people get tested because they will now include more infected people rather than just folks with obvious symptoms. And the "real" number will be 10x that. I wonder how people will take it when they discover that the only way through this wringer is to get the virus and acquire immunity. That's not quite obvious from the current messaging if you're in the US, and it IMO should be. If you don't get it now, you'll get it in the fall. When they say "flatten the curve", the area under the curve stays about the same: 50-70% of the US population, same as H1N1 and other epidemics.
Yes it is but there’s a reason why most of the world’s human population lives within 100 miles of the ocean. It’s real easy to fly over and think “Oh yeah there’s plenty of room”. It’s very difficult to live on most of the dry parts and even harder still to do agriculture on the relatively few flat bits. We aren’t packed together just for shits n gigs.I use to think this until I started flying a lot. This is a BIG freaking planet!
I wonder how people will take it when they discover that the only way through this wringer is to get the virus and acquire immunity. That's not quite obvious from the current messaging if you're in the US, and it IMO should be. If you don't get it now, you'll get it in the fall. When they say "flatten the curve", the area under the curve stays about the same: 50-70% of the US population, same as H1N1 and other epidemics.
Depends on who gets it. If we manage to avoid infecting the elderly somehow (and I don't know how), they could be spared. And make no mistake, at least a half of us will get the virus eventually. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves. This is well past the point where it could be squashed entirely. I'd like this to happen when we know how to deal with its most severe symptoms and have had a chance to stockpile the treatments.Right. But I think your suggested message of “get the virus and acquire immunity” would only work against that goal.
Depends on who gets it. If we manage to avoid infecting the elderly somehow (and I don't know how), they could be spared. And make no mistake, at least a half of us will get the virus eventually. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves. This is well past the point where it could be squashed entirely. I'd like this to happen when we know how to deal with its most severe symptoms and have had a chance to stockpile the treatments.
The elderly, BTW, die of respiratory issues pretty disproportionally as it is. Some 160K deaths a year in the US alone, even without all this. Now some of that is exacerbated with the virus as well. Which is to say that a good fraction of the elderly who died "because of the virus", would probably have died without the virus, too. There's just no way to tell for sure.
Could you provide some links to peer reviewed "thorough debunking". Best I can tell in the absence of an effective vaccine (which we won't get this year), herd immunity is the only solution. Everyone is talking about flattening the curve, nobody is promising that area under the curve (the total number of infections) will be lower.50-70% (and that is worse case) is not 100%. If I was in the high risk group I wouldn't be running out to infect myself. You can feasibly make it until a vaccine is produced if your country gets it under control. Also flattening the curve directly impacts survival due to stress on health systems, as Italy found out. The "herd immunity" scenario has been thoroughly debunked as a workable solution. Uncontrolled spread leads to the collapse of health systems.
For Germany they said they expect 60-70% rate of infection over the next 2 years though. That's a very sober, realistic way to communicate that would probably cause murderous riots in the US. Their population is much older than in the US though, which significantly increases the projected death toll in the absence of effective treatment. Thus far though they're doing pretty well in the "death toll" department. We'll see if that changes in a couple of weeks.they calculated a few scenarios for Germany. Just isolating the elderly and other wise high risk would still pretty soon result in 8 times more critical cases than ICU beds.
Social distancing right the fuck now is the only scenario that will not collapse the health system.
The only point of discussion now is how slowly herd immunity should be built up so as not to overwhelm hospital capacity, and what to do to effectively slow the spread.
For Germany they said they expect 60-70% rate of infection over the next 2 years though. That's a very sober, realistic way to communicate that would probably cause murderous riots in the US.