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ghost fizz

Loquenau

Power User
LOL "I'm all over you, just like superglue"...love it!
Phil is weird (funny, yes), but you like it because he's some visual and verbal combination of Val Kilmer, Jim Morrison, Sammy Hagar, and surfer dude. I write better copy, though.


Yea, you can definitely hear the 'crispies' in that clip when he has the volume dialed down; great example of it occurring in a real amp.
As Cliff mentioned, it depends on the amp.


Here is that preset. I don't personally care for it but...

http://javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/crankedplexi.syx
Really? I think it's a great heavy tock tone. Dial the gain down some, and that's Alex pre-Signals.


Anyone who thinks the Axe is to fizzy should spend some time comparing famous commercial recordings with the naked guitar tracks from those recordings. It's a real eye-opener.
Or they could explore subtle things in the amp block as I have lately. IRs may get me further, but that's still a daunting task.


exactly, and this goes back to what Cliff said about having your ear up to the cabinet. We are hearing from that vantage point...which makes our tones more consistent from stage to foh but takes a while to adjust to after having cabs blasting us from behind all of our guitar playing lives. We never heard all the things that were there because we were never at the vantage point to be able to hear them.
I just happened to have a local guitar guru tell me to listen in front of the speaker/cabinet, and I did. Oh.


That's the whole point. These guitar tracks do indeed represent what the audio engineer had to start with—the sound coming from the amp. It doesn't matter whether they've been processed or not. The fizz you hear comes from the amp, not from a signal processor.
Yeah, but if the Axe is capable of getting that polished tone, I'm on it.
 

guitarmike

Experienced
Doesn’t it seem somehow ironic that the foremost leader in digital amp modeling design, which utilizes the most modern and state of the art electronic technology, also possesses an equally deep understanding of tube and tube amp technology, arguably the most archaic electronic technology.

Cliff, you and your team simply rock dude!
 

electronpirate

Moderator
Moderator
Doesn’t it seem somehow ironic that the foremost leader in digital amp modeling design, which utilizes the most modern and state of the art electronic technology, also possesses an equally deep understanding of tube and tube amp technology, arguably the most archaic electronic technology.
Hold on now...tube amps are your friend. I might play them all the time too if I had a roady named Bart. But he'd be a busy guy towing 10 separate amps and all requisite FX and pedals around.

On second thought...I think I'd play the little black box (tone won't suffer!), and task Bart to corral groupies and keep full my stock of Jameson and Levitra...

Cliff, you and your team simply rock dude!
Yep.
 

Zang Angelfire

New Member
I started noticing ghost fizz after fw12. Its not just there when I turn my guitar volume down its always there subtlety behind the main distortion on my fully cranked HBE. When I turn down my guitar volume the HBE distortion goes away but the ghost fizz remains. When I turn the guitar back up full the HBE distortion comes back in but I can still hear the ghost fizz subtly in the background behind the HBE distortion.
 

Smilzo

Power User
When I first was working on the Axe-Fx II I was comparing to a JCM800 and noticed that bacon-frying sound on the decay. The Axe-Fx wasn't doing it. So I spent months and months researching what caused a tube amp to do that and how to recreate it.

Incidentally, without that decay characteristic you lose the "crack" on the note attack.
I remember the infamous "crack" thread... I was missing the crack in respect to real amp. I don't know how you achieve that, glad you do it. What I like is to "controll" the amount of different... non linearity. I liked the axefx concept before it was available in Europe. I bought a standard when there was no Ultra: the concept of amp emulation was a bit different, "It's not a modeler in the strict sense. ... it does not attempt to model any effect exactly.The Axe-Fx’s amp, drive and cabinet simulations, however, are very faithful reproductions of the originals, but without the drawbacks of the original" (from the manual).
Now that you got the crack, could we "exagerate" it? Could we modulate it? If you find in the search some ugly but interesting, unheard sound... could you please let us (advanced rocker player :devilish:) try them?
I would like people to tell "yeah, heard it: it's am Axefx, it's unique, no one has that crazy[polished] sound".
It is important to have user friendly manipulation of the sound: the pre-set of advance parameters (smooth, ideal, etc) is the way to go. I would like to have it further expanded: "crazy", "blast", "reverse saturation (the more you dig the cleaner you get".
 

biggness

Power User
Yup. I never heard it until a few years ago.

When I first was working on the Axe-Fx II I was comparing to a JCM800 and noticed that bacon-frying sound on the decay. The Axe-Fx wasn't doing it. So I spent months and months researching what caused a tube amp to do that and how to recreate it.

Incidentally, without that decay characteristic you lose the "crack" on the note attack. So the two are interrelated.

It's most noticeable when playing a simple interval. Way back I noticed that playing a major third excites it the most (i.e. F and A on the D and G strings). This causes a beat frequency that pushes you into and out of clipping. IOW, the two notes coincide at certain times pushing the amplitude to the clipping threshold. This causes a hard clip at the beat frequency.
So that guy was right a few years ago?
 

BMH

Inspired
Just a thought, how many real amp comparisons are done with the master and pre volumes up as far as on the Axe preset? Pretty hard to do in real life. When you crank up a Plexi (mine were modded) you get that ghosting. Not at moderate volumes though. So unless you let the real amp rip like you have your preset amp settings, you really can't make an equal comparison. And as already said, you wouldn't, at that volume, get your ears that close to the cabinets!

The Axe amps are modeled to react the same way as a real amp, which includes the effects of raising the master etc..
 

Kriig

Fractal Fanatic
Just a thought, how many real amp comparisons are done with the master and pre volumes up as far as on the Axe preset? Pretty hard to do in real life. When you crank up a Plexi (mine were modded) you get that ghosting. Not at moderate volumes though. So unless you let the real amp rip like you have your preset amp settings, you really can't make an equal comparison. And as already said, you wouldn't, at that volume, get your ears that close to the cabinets!

The Axe amps are modeled to react the same way as a real amp, which includes the effects of raising the master etc..
And that´s why at least i love it. Could not live with a cracked plexi. At least not my wife 8)
 

Loquenau

Power User
Doesn’t it seem somehow ironic that the foremost leader in digital amp modeling design, which utilizes the most modern and state of the art electronic technology, also possesses an equally deep understanding of tube and tube amp technology, arguably the most archaic electronic technology.

Cliff, you and your team simply rock dude!
No, Leyden jars preceeded, and I think inspired the design of, tubes. Look round the BK Butler site, and you'll find some high-tech thermionic shit.
 

Dutch

Fractal Fanatic
So that guy was right a few years ago?
Referring to the Ozz-guy in the Gen1 days? Cliff didn't say he was wrong, IIRC, just that Cliff liked it better the way it was. Several agreed, several disagreed. Now they can choose. I hope he re-visits the AxeFx to see if he finds his crack.

Again IIRC, most of the discussion was because people represented their opinions as facts. And got pretty hotheaded about it.
 
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