Fredman IR's are metal bliss

I googled these IRs and read the thread in which they originated (clips sound great) - the creator of these IRs catharsisstudios also said he planned to make some Orange IRs - Do you happen to have a link to that thread or link to those IRs if they're also free? Or maybe they're in that directory and I don't know which they are :). Thanks for sharing
 
Yeah these IR's rock! I used them before I switched to the RW's. Can't really say which ones are better... I'm just using the RW's since they are worth money and.... the fredman is free so... have to make an A/B of this one day!
 
I just wanted to point out that right now I think THESE ARE THE BEST IR'S FOR THE AXE-FX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND FREE!!!!! (you can put these in axefx format with just about any axe-fx software in axefx wiki) :)

I've been trying to create my main metal patch all day long and I've been using the Redwires IR's thinking that they are the best of the best. I was using a recto cab with different mics etc. but everything ended up sounding really muddy. I even boost the highs with the global EQ and still the sound is really flubby and TBH it sounds exactly like my Boss GT used to sound. :cry:

By the end of the day I started to give up... then I remembered trying out the Fredman IR's a week ago and those weren't lacking highs. NOW: My global EQ is flat, I'm using the "Fredman Straight" in one cab and "Fredman Sneap pic" in the other. AMAZING! My Axe is alive again! Tight lows and I mean lows... not that lowmid blah from redwirez. I get un-fizzy highs that cut through and don't sound at all digital unlike the redwirez did. Remember... don't get mad: this is my opinion.

Just to be clear on how I use these IR's:

------[CAB]------ <--- doesn't matter which one is which...
-----\[CAB]/----- just make sure they're not the same (this actually happens too often :lol: )

I'll do a comparison clip soon. Maybe a youtube version so you get to see my other gear too. ;)

EDIT: my link didn't work.. sorry!
 
Clark Kent said:
I just wanted to point out that right now I think THESE ARE THE BEST IR'S FOR THE AXE-FX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND FREE!!!!! (you can put these in axefx format with just about any axe-fx software in axefx wiki) :)

I've been trying to create my main metal patch all day long and I've been using the Redwires IR's thinking that they are the best of the best. I was using a recto cab with different mics etc. but everything ended up sounding really muddy. I even boost the highs with the global EQ and still the sound is really flubby and TBH it sounds exactly like my Boss GT used to sound. :cry:

By the end of the day I started to give up... then I remembered trying out the Fredman IR's a week ago and those weren't lacking highs. NOW: My global EQ is flat, I'm using the "Fredman Straight" in one cab and "Fredman Sneap pic" in the other. AMAZING! My Axe is alive again! Tight lows and I mean lows... not that lowmid blah from redwirez. I get un-fizzy highs that cut through and don't sound at all digital unlike the redwirez did. Remember... don't get mad: this is my opinion.

Just to be clear on how I use these IR's:

------[CAB]------ <--- doesn't matter which one is which...
-----\[CAB]/----- just make sure they're not the same (this actually happens too often :lol: )

I'll do a comparison clip soon. Maybe a youtube version so you get to see my other gear too. ;)

Once again a link to the IR's: http://catharsis.supremepixels.com/impu ... redman.zip
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The two cabs you've listed aren't in that zip file.

Mark
 
Those are nice metal IRs, no question. I don't know how they were made but they look like they were run through a guitar amp that the guy who created them had set up to get that low-end thump, scooped midrange and giant presence peak that the genre is known for. Nice roll-off where all the nastiest fizz lives followed by lots of air. That profile doesn't come naturally from two 57s, no matter where you put them.

So, they're essentially EQ'ed (by the amp) to sound the way they do. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. If it sounds good then it is good. But, it's not what we were trying to do. We just mic'ed up the cabs, cranked up our Bryston 4B (which is very clean) and sampled them as is. We leave the EQing up to you. There's no reason why you can't just apply some good EQ to our IRs in your DAW and get the same sound. There's also no reason why you shouldn't just use the catharsis IRs if they do what you want.

Please understand that we didn't set out to create the ultimate metal IR collection. Once we're done with all the cabs we have planned maybe we'll spend some time tweaking the collection for specific genres. Not sure if there'd be a demand for that. But, it certainly can be done.

I couldn't find the IRs you used, ClarkKent, but for fun I listened to the s-preshigh IR and then took two 57s, one CapEdge 0" the other CapEdgeOffAxis 0" on the Recto cab and applied some EQ to push it in the direction of what I was hearing.

Here's my take on it: http://www.redwirez.com/ir/RedWireExper ... oMetal.zip

It definitely has a similar vibe.

EDIT:

Decided to keep it simple and redid them by just scooping the mids. More "natural" and probably still useful.

http://www.redwirez.com/ir/RedWireExper ... oped57.zip
 
Don't get me wrong. Your IR's are probably the best ones out there and once again you showed the world that you really are on top of the game. I'm going to give those new IR's a shot. The IR's that I'm using are in here: http://www.fractalaudio.com/Documents/I ... pulses.zip <--- just go to the folder "Fredman-Impulses". I think it's essential to say that I'm using the uberschall as an amp with an 808 boost. With these IR's the amp sounds just a bit more midscooped than here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUYMNRuGF4 (skip the first parts... there's some meshuggah there)

The sound is like you described it: very midscooped but still cutting. A natural fizz is ok if it sounds organic. I was using the Redwirez SM57 at cap edge and Beyerdynamic M160 at cone edge. I got a nice low end and a round high end with this combo and I'm still using it in my poprock presets. No complaints really. Just going after this METAL tone got me a bit frustraited. I didn't really get enough highs without using PEQ/GEQ or global EQ and that's not what I wanted to do.
 
Did a few more for kicks and added Axe-Fx files. Updated the link.

Did one called RectoMetal57 that's more like the IRs ClarkKent used.

They're a little over the top, but it was fun making them.
 
redwire said:
We leave the EQing up to you. There's no reason why you can't just apply some good EQ to our IRs in your DAW and get the same sound.
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I like that! Everyone has a different taste of what frequency range to boost or cut and having these as the bare bones so to speak, of the speaker cab mic combo are a great starting point for building the tone we want.

redwire said:
Please understand that we didn't set out to create the ultimate metal IR collection. Once we're done with all the cabs we have planned maybe we'll spend some time tweaking the collection for specific genres. Not sure if there'd be a demand for that. But, it certainly can be done.
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That would be nice, I'd like to see more of the "studio standard" micing techniques for the different styles of music, whether it's metal,rock,blues,jazz... you know, the good starting points for mic placement and which mics to blend together. So far what you've put up on your tutorial section and from your post on here have been very helpful for the recording at home noob that I am.
 
You guys rock! Once I get my MIDI-interface back I'll try these out. Hope I didn't cause any problems for redwirez with my weird demands. :) I totally agree with you guys that having a flat EQ curve in the IR's is good for just about all genres. I'm not sure if it's working 100% in the way it should because when using those recto IR's my sounds are really muddy. I'll show you guys what I mean:

Here's a clip I made some time ago with redwirez IR's. The first two guitar sounds are with boosted highs and the last two are how they originally sounded: https://www.oulu.fi/perl/lataa/lataa/do ... ectoV1.mp3

Quite muddy IMO. What do you guys think? I had bass at 2, treble at 8 and presence at +4 in my amp settings. Normally this would sound soooooo saturated.
 
No trouble. It enjoy these insights into how our IRs are being used.

The last two are pretty muddy. Instead of boosting the highs, though, I would scoop the mids.

After hearing your sample I don't think the IRs I posted will help you. In fact, I'm taking them down, because I think they're way too over the top. It was fun while it lasted :)

Here's pretty much how they would have sounded:

http://www.redwirez.com/ir/MetalizedSpiky57.mp3
http://www.redwirez.com/ir/Metalized57.mp3

Not so good, IMO. Now here's how your last muddy clip would sound with a -6db cut in the mids at 400Hz using a wide Q:

http://www.redwirez.com/ir/MuddyAfterScoop.mp3

Much better. Now with a more brutal (as if -6db is not brutal enough) -9db cut in the mids at 400Hz:

http://www.redwirez.com/ir/MuddyAfterBrutalScoop.mp3

That's all I did. A pretty big improvement, IMO. To my ears it sounds much more natural and I think the rest of the sound you can get by tweaking with the controls on your amp. By just scooping the mids, you don't have other EQ points to fight with. Maybe I'll post a "metalizer" on the site that scoops out the mids of our IRs to varying degrees. That might be fun :)
 
I hope folks are following this thread and others. I mean that too. Hella lot of good information, tips and ideas being shared.
 
redwire: You found the problem I was having. Although these amps (Mark IV & Recto) have a huge lowmid bottom it's somewhat overdone in my clips. I'm a spectrum-meter type of guy. I took one glance at the spectrum and was like: "wooow where are the highs -> BOOST!"

But yeah... cutting from 400hz didn't make the tone fizzy but more natural. Great tips over here! And there's no real need to delete your IR's redwire. I'd love to have one that has the 400hz cut so I wouldn't have to cut it in every patch. A million thumbs up!
 
Here's the scooped 57 IRs. -3db, -6db and -9db. I used a phase linear mastering EQ for the cuts. So, you're probably better off using these than doing that kind of radical EQing in the Axe-Fx.

http://www.redwirez.com/ir/RedWireExper ... oped57.zip

Feel free to try these out and give me your feedback folks. If enough people find them useful, I may do up a bigger batch of scooped IRs just for metal players.
 
Just tweaked a bit myself. I ended up using a single SM57 (cap edge 0") with a PEQ at 400hz, -6dB. I don't know if it's just my ears but I think my clean sound was also better with that 400hz scoop. :shock:

Thanks again for the 1000th time for your custom IR's. I feel so special! :p I promise to put a word out for you guys!
 
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