Fractal Audio has been challenged, or so it seems.

I'm not sure what it is exactly but something just irritates me so much about that guy. He's always making that face. ughh.
 
I just demoed it at home. I had some demo tracks recorded through my audio interface's rather crappy DI (Axe is still at the studio). Just had used the stock Cubase VST Amp Rack with it. Replaced it now with Bias FX and also tried Bias Amps.

Ok, the quality of the DI definitely reduces the sound quality that the plugins can deliver, but even taking that into account I can say only one thing:

I used the uninstall function of both within ten minutes.

No match at all to the Axe in my opinion, not even remotely.
 
parlopower said:
No match at all to the Axe in my opinion, not even remotely.
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Just goes to show just how different we see and hear things, what amazes me about BIAS is that i can get an amazing tone that i like to play with close enought to the Axe FX on my phone with all the delays and reverbs i need and then some.
 
I think the most important question is... if both the bias and the axe fx xl+ were both priced at the same $200 then which would you choose? The answer to THAT will prove which offers the superior no compromise sound quality.

Bottom line, as I said before, main reason why someone chooses anything other than the axe is because they either can't or won't pay the price of admission to the fractal club. I stand firm, fractal is the rolls Royce in all amp tone.
 
With the notion of finding myself being in some distant hotel room with nothing to do except maybe pay for a porn channel movie ... (which is a waste as 10 or 15 mins in I've umm .... lost interest) I got Bias and an iRig Pro and stuck it on my iPhone (5) and iPad (latest gen).

(a) I find it has pretty terrible latency on both devices

(b) If I'm travelling I don't bring a guitar with me
 
What you don't watch porn for the acting and the well thought out dialog?

however, Some people can deal with that sort of latency through the irig, i personally can not, it makes me want to

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Yep. Latency is a deal breaker.

No other amp modeler can match the Axe when it comes to capturing the subtle way a tube amp reacts to changes in guitar volume. You can go from glassy clean, to edgy jaggle, to throaty blues, to punchy crunch, to tight heavy rhythm, to singing violin sustaining leads all with just the turn of your volume knob. Every plugin I've tried chokes very quickly in this regard. Some might sort of clean up a little, but it's usually a very one dimensional transition. Add in the unbeatable cab IRs that are out there and the only thing that can compete the Axe is a real tube amp and cab. ...And that's without even considering the endless effects and control options on the Axe too.
 
toolfanem said:
I'm not sure what it is exactly but something just irritates me so much about that guy. He's always making that face. ughh.
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Tbh, I liked his early videos like "How to play guitar like Lil' Wayne" ... Since then the faces and annoyance has gotten much worse. I mean; he has a lot of views, so obviously it works. You can't argue with success. But damn ... just why? He has a good technique, I bet he could be a successful youtuber even without behaving like a third-rate Jim Carrey.

parlopower said:
I used the uninstall function of both within ten minutes.

No match at all to the Axe in my opinion, not even remotely.
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I think the problem is that you expected too much. Bias in his cheapest installment is $70. That's the price of a video game nowadays. Or a single stop at the GAS station if you live in central europe and not in the US. $200 and you get the entire package. It is literally the cheapest all-in-one solution on the market.
You don't play a $200 Pacifica and expect it to play like a custom shop guitar either. But if you are willing to deal with it's limitations, you can still get amazing recordings out of it (that goes for both the Pacifica and BIAS).

One thing is for sure: for the amount of cash you put into it, BIAS is ridicolously good value. It is easily comparable to a POD HD or even an Eleven Rack for just a fraction of the cost. Or an Axe FX Ultra for that matter.


I agree that the latency kills it; but as a cheap and convenient reamping solution for home recording? HELL YES!

Let me just say this: there never was a better time for broke guitarists.
 
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I did not have much of a personal expectation, I tried BIAS on the basis of the particular claim of the video that is subject of this thread. That is what the discussion is about, isn't it - can BIAS replace an Axe like they say in the video? So far I honestly don't see it doing that. And of course, that is exactly what you should expect for the price. If it could, my Axe would be on ebay in 5 minutes. A US$200 plugin that I can run in my DAW that sounds like the Axe? A dream come true.

But I will still give it another try. A very important factor is your input stage, and the 500k DI of my Steinberg UR28M is really not very good sounding. A friend of mine has a Universal Audio 2-610, and that tube pre has an excellent sounding 2.2M DI. I am sure it sounds much better through that one - I will try and report back how big the difference is. :)
 
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parlopower said:
I did not have much of a personal expectation, I tried BIAS on the basis of the particular claim of the video that is subject of this thread. That is what the discussion is about, isn't it - can BIAS replace an Axe like they say in the video? So far I honestly don't see it doing that. And of course, that is exactly what you should expect for the price. If it could, my Axe would be on ebay in 5 minutes. A US$200 plugin that I can run in my DAW that sounds like the Axe? A dream come true.

But I will still give it another try. A very important factor is your input stage, and the 500k DI of my Steinberg UR28M is really not very good sounding. A friend of mine has a Universal Audio 2-610, and that tube pre has an excellent sounding 2.2M DI. I am sure it sounds much better through that one - I will try and report back how big the difference is. :)
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It is the general consensus among BIAS users that the built-in EQing of amps is terrible. Have you tried to tonematching feature? I've found that tonematched patches sound a lot better than anything you can build without.
 
mr_fender said:
Yep. Latency is a deal breaker.

No other amp modeler can match the Axe when it comes to capturing the subtle way a tube amp reacts to changes in guitar volume. You can go from glassy clean, to edgy jaggle, to throaty blues, to punchy crunch, to tight heavy rhythm, to singing violin sustaining leads all with just the turn of your volume knob. Every plugin I've tried chokes very quickly in this regard. Some might sort of clean up a little, but it's usually a very one dimensional transition. Add in the unbeatable cab IRs that are out there and the only thing that can compete the Axe is a real tube amp and cab. ...And that's without even considering the endless effects and control options on the Axe too.
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I have compared BIAS to Axe FX II in many ways and BIAS can handle the volume knows in the same matter in most amps as the Axe FX does. Im not saying BIAS is better, it is not, but to the tones i like to play with it gets pretty dam close and again, i do not experiency useless Latency issues, thats other peoples problems.
 
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It is the general consensus among BIAS users that the built-in EQing of amps is terrible. Have you tried to tonematching feature? I've found that tonematched patches sound a lot better than anything you can build without.
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I did not try it. As I wrote, I think a big part of the bad sound I got (compared to the Axe at least) is due to the inferior DI of my audio interface. I will dig deeper and spend more time with BIAS when I have borrowed the UA pre from my friend. Its DI is very good - we ever recorded some guitar tracks directly through it into Cubase and sent them later into the Axe Fx II for the amp simulation. It sounded even better than the guitar plugged straight into the Axe. For comparison, I also recorded some DI tracks through my audio interface and sent those to the Axe. They sounded very dull and lifeless. If I try to project that huge difference onto what BIAS might sound like through the UA pre, it will mean a drastic improvement that could really make it very interesting.
 
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I'll be honest, I haven't tried bias, and here's why. I have an Axe-FX. I know this has nothing to do with Bias in any way at all, but it has everything to do with how great my Axe has been. Since I got my Axe-FX, I haven't once desired to even try anything else.


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laughyouraxeoff said:
LOL Woody where you been man, like others have said, this has come up a lot recently hahaha..
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I just got back from Wacken Open Air, which explains me being away for the last 6 days or so. Most of the time I'm just trying to improve my technique / getting some demo's down for the band or a solo thing / girlfriend / rehearsals / wondering why said demo's sound crap looking angrily at my sub par speakers and Line 6 KB 37 whilst trying to understand Reaper and drum programs / browsing Youtube for information / getting some workouts done / working a full day's job / training in martial arts / Family stuff / teaching lessons to kids with the AXE FX / reading / reading comics / trying to keep up with the many TV series I like / failing at housekeeping / petitioning the government to install 36 hour days. Every other spare minute is devoted to browsing, and contributing to, this forum :)
 
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Of course, Clark is such a good Tweaker he could probably make even that BIAS sound pretty good.

The video is funny/entertaining/comical so it gets peoples attention.

But really... DJENT? just sounds like noise to me.

Does Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Van Halen, Guns N Roses, Metallica, Megadeth, Jimi Hendrix, BB King, Randy Rhoads, Eric Johnson, Poison, Warrant, Cinderella, Ratt, Motley Crue, Whitesnake, Led Zeppelin, Slash, AC/DC, Exodus, Anthrax, Heathen, Possessed, Albert King, Ozzy Osbourne, Black Sabbath, Zakk Wylde, Brad Gillis, Jake E Lee, Pearl Jam, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, Smashing Pumpkins etc? Any of those musicians and bands DJENT? I don't think so.
I don't even really know what Djent is I guess but I googled a few examples and what I herad on youtube just sounds like CRAP. Djent=another word for crap. I guess much like Punk=Crap.

I listen and can appreciate to a wide range of music as illustrated above.

But what ever this new crap people call "djent" is not one of them.

I don't even understand why people would want to djent in the first place.

So any time I see a video like this that mentions Axe Fx and Djent in the same sentence I always pee my self from laughing.

I mean really? Does anyone need a $2500 axe fx just to Djent with???? It's still gonna sound like crap because crap in = crap out. Djent is crap.

That was most comical part of the video was the dude djenting with a state of the art axe fx.

I don't understand all the phenomenon of users on here though either that post all the clips of them djenting on the axe fx. With the poor chops & melody that is Djent noise, would be just as well served with a solid state peavey bandit than a sophisticated modeler like the axe fx.

So yeah in that respect, I can see why a $200 BIAS plugin would, or should anyway make more sense for someone that just wants to Djent than getting a Axe.

Save the Axe Fx for people that want to be real masters of music & guitar virtuosos like Rhoads, Vai, Satriani etc.

Really... I didn't think Djent music was a real thing at first, I thought it was a Spinal Tap type of joke.

Axe Fx is overkill for djent.

But that was funniest part of video.
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