AES DB25 out of Aurora to Lynx AES16e PciE card installed on my computer.It's not diminishing returns. It's irrelevant returns. How are you connecting your Aurora to your computer? Yes, the Axe-FX III will have less internal latency.
That's not true. Adding amp+cab block into empty preset in FM3 gives 4ms overall (analog output) latency. Drive and Reverb making it about 4.7ms. Exactly like in the original post.
Regardless of what the internal latency is in the FM3, your first choice for a rig should be: guitar->FM3->SPDIF->Aurora->AES->PCIe. Monitor direct from the Aurora. This is assuming FM3->USB doesn't work for you for some reason.
That's fair; when I took my measurements, they weren't exactly the same for every single sound sample I tested every time, even within a 10-second window; some were higher, some were lower. I more or less count my margin of error (based on different measurements; a "range," you might call it) around 1.5-2ms. So 1.7ms and 4.7 are perfectly within reason based on my tests. I just averaged.
Yes, I have been contemplating that.... I need to wrap my head around the best way to do that because the aurora doesn't have spdif inputs.
That's not really acceptable margin if its more than the value itself
I take your point, but when you get down to the 3ms neighborhood, it's not realistic with outboard gear to split hairs to much finer resolution than that. It would be interesting to hear what became of that enhancement Cliff mentioned above, but it's hard to believe it would make a noticeable difference.That's not really acceptable margin if its more than the value itself
It is possible to measure with enough precision (so im getting the same results as OP) and to get less latency, even Cliff said that and confirmed the issue. 2 ms vs 4 ms is noticeable feel change, ask any pro musician...
Anything's possible, but that's not likely
.Its not the same for the brain because with sound traveling by air you hear sound changing due to environment reflections (try no echo chamber and see how it feels), depending on how far you are, so I guess brain can adapt to it easier. Try to play with 20 ms artifical latency and compare feeling to sitting 8 meters from amp.
Interesting. Are we slaughtering a sacred cow here?
Reflections reach your ears after the direct sound. Shortest path between two points is a straight line. If you are 8 meters away from the speaker there is no physical way possible for the sound waves to reach your ears sooner than it takes for the sound to travel over that shortest path of 8 meters. The reflections will make it sound different, but the latency involved will be exactly the same as if the source itself was delayed the same amount of time.
Good thing that we're not listening to one bit of sound at a time, but continuous flow of sound so those reflections are gonna reach ears later and create an overall feeling of how far you are. Like, what are we actually arguing here about, can you hear the difference in tonal quality of sound between being close to you or not? Isn't it the whole point of early reflections in reverb to create an environment and distance feeling? If so, there is a difference that brain can register. And theres no difference in pure artifical latency.
Of course im talkin about feeling.
This is the reality despite what people are claiming. We're talking about a range of time faster than the human nervous system can even react. If it's something one is going to obsess over better to just go analog (but be careful measuring that system, you might be surprised what you find....)
