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FM3 hot questions (and, hopefully, answers)

Barmaleus

Inspired
If you have some burning questions about FM3 - post here. Hopefully people with answers will answer to some of them =)


Some answers to previously asked questions:

The processing power of an FM-3 is roughly the same as an AX-8.
Only one amp block.
Supports 2 pedals/switches.
FASLINK powers the first FC.
It does not have all of the Axe-Fx III effects but has the most important ones (no vocoder, etc.).
FC setup is same as Axe-Fx III.
We could potentially do two amp blocks but at reduced quality and I don't want to do that. Part of the problem with other modelers is that they don't oversample enough (and use single-precision in places where you need double-precision).

Then you get complaints of artifacts and ear fatigue and all the other things associated with inadequate sample rate and word length.

The vast majority of users only use one amp block so we wanted to make something with one very high quality "Ares" amp block.
The firmware is still beta so nothing is set in stone yet. Between now and they day they start shipping things could change but so far we didn't port the Vocoder, Tone Match, RTA and 10-Tap Delay IIRC.

Due to the lesser processing power there are fewer instances of many effects, i.e. two instead of four. Channel counts are the same.
TriChorus
Yup. Uses an SC587. The SHARC+ core has essentially the same MFLOPs as the SHARC. The overall processing power is greater than an AX-8 because of the ARM which offloads all the housekeeping stuff, USB, etc.
can this be controlled with a "regular" midi pedal?
Of course.
The USB outputs (IN Endpoints) are Output 1 L/R, Instrument In and Input 2 Left.
The FM3 is not as powerful as an Axe-Fx III. The Axe-Fx III has at least four times the processing power. You can infer what you want from that.
 
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Bigeclipse

Regular
Why did FM3 not drop with more DSP?!?!?!

I feel like it will already be obsolete the day it drops. This makes me nervous that in 6 months, fractal may be able to make a hot new amp model or cab model or FXs but only add it to the AX FXIII and not the FM3 due to lack of dsp.
 

Smittefar

Fractal Fanatic
I am dying to know, if this thing has global blocks.

I am also very curious to learn how well two FM3's would play together. Six FootSwitches, Two amp blocks, tons of processing power. If two would integrate nicely, it might be a very compelling option.
 

jclemensfl

New here
So for those of us who are perhaps not as technologically aware, can someone please explain to me why they would drop a new unit with the same processing power of the unit they released 3-plus years ago? I have read a few comments about fitting the form factor. Have there been been no DSP processors released in the last three years with more power at the same physical size? Apologies if I'm oversimplifying it, but that seems to be a huge loss for everyone looking for more power than the current unit (which seemed to be most people on these threads).
 

Barmaleus

Inspired
So for those of us who are perhaps not as technologically aware, can someone please explain to me why they would drop a new unit with the same processing power of the unit they released 3-plus years ago? I have read a few comments about fitting the form factor. Have there been been no DSP processors released in the last three years with more power at the same physical size? Apologies if I'm oversimplifying it, but that seems to be a huge loss for everyone looking for more power than the current unit (which seemed to be most people on these threads).
For example:
More power = more expensive processor(s) + more heat + bigger chassis = increased price.

That's just one of the factors.
 

chris

Legend!
So for those of us who are perhaps not as technologically aware, can someone please explain to me why they would drop a new unit with the same processing power of the unit they released 3-plus years ago? I have read a few comments about fitting the form factor. Have there been been no DSP processors released in the last three years with more power at the same physical size? Apologies if I'm oversimplifying it, but that seems to be a huge loss for everyone looking for more power than the current unit (which seemed to be most people on these threads).
the issue is heat. i believe there isn't a better CPU that can run cool. once you put fans in a unit that goes on the floor, all sorts of dirt go inside and can mess things up.

i don't think FAS meant the exact same everything is in the FM3 vs the AX8. he said it's similar.

as an introduction, i think it's just so we know it's not exactly an Axe-Fx III in the floor.

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now generally speaking:

it's been 2 days. the amp show is in a few days from now. we'll have more answers in a very short amount of time. it's not even shipping yet. yes we're all excited, but some are so demanding right now it's kinda silly.

days. we'll have more answer in days.
 

Tahoebrian5

Fractal Fanatic
CPU does nay affect how many amp models can be in the firmware. That is a memory issue. CPU is mainly how many blocks can be active on the grid at one time.
 

jclemensfl

New here
the issue is heat. i believe there isn't a better CPU that can run cool. once you put fans in a unit that goes on the floor, all sorts of dirt go inside and can mess things up.
i don't think FAS meant the exact same everything is in the FM3 vs the AX8. he said it's similar.
as an introduction, i think it's just so we know it's not exactly an Axe-Fx III in the floor.
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now generally speaking:
it's been 2 days. the amp show is in a few days from now. we'll have more answers in a very short amount of time. it's not even shipping yet. yes we're all excited, but some are so demanding right now it's kinda silly.
Ok, thank you for the response. So if it is nearly impossible to put a better processor in a unit this size, it would be fair to say that everyone hoping for the ability to have dual amps in a compact floor unit is SOL for the foreseeable future? I mean, it would be good to know that it's just not going to happen, right? Then we can all move on and make our choices based on what works for us. Thanks for the information.
 

Smittefar

Fractal Fanatic
Would it be possible to keep this thread free of speculation? I like the concept that you can ask factual questions, and we can help each other get factual answers. The announcement thread is already way too messy to search for answers - on the other hand, it is full of speculation :)
 

yek

Moderator
Moderator
Ok, thank you for the response. So if it is nearly impossible to put a better processor in a unit this size, it would be fair to say that everyone hoping for the ability to have dual amps in a compact floor unit is SOL for the foreseeable future? I mean, it would be good to know that it's just not going to happen, right? Then we can all move on and make our choices based on what works for us. Thanks for the information.
I use my Axe-Fx III intensely and I don’t even use dual Amp blocks. Channel switching works well, especially when you know how to do it.
 
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