gilmourfan1977
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Thanks Admin for the post
Hello all,
I can't say what the differences between one or another specimen of a particular ODS should be, since I've only played through one real one... but I can say that the model in the Axe-Fx II is a staggeringly accurate reproduction of the amp that Cliff based it on.
I played the latest and greatest version of firmware 10 last night, in a room side by side with a number of the actual amps it has models based on. The Plexi and Two Stone among others really impressed me. I got lost for hours the other night in the DOUBLE VERB. I can't wait for you to try this. If you love amps, you are going to freak out with this release.
As I'd go through models, I'd dial in using two knobs (DRIVE and LEVEL, plus maybe a touch of tweak to TREBLE). In every case, with the footswitch hooked up to toggle between the model and the Axe-Fx, I'd go back and forth, play a bit, go back and forth some more, then ultimately I would need to LOOK to see which one I was playing through. There is a dimensionality in the new firmware that will mark it as a true milestone.
Say what you will, but I'll also add this. In two cases where there was a slight difference, I'd characterize the difference as how "easy" it was to play, with the Axe-Fx actually beating out the real amp. I didn't adjust COMPRESSION more towards zero to see if things equalled out, but that would have been my instinct. Honestly, I'd enjoy pushing it the other way, but I am a compression kinda player.
The main amp in question does NOT sound like the Kaiser by the way! It sounds like a great amp. Personally, I prefer other amp tone "styles" (or to buy a few nice cars) but clearly this amp has had its secrets incorporated into the model to a degree that would not have been possible with previous firmwares.
I'll say one thing for myself though: even on a Dumble, I'm still a fumble.
Dear readers, we are ramping up for one hell of a company-wide release.
Hello all,
I got lost for hours the other night in the DOUBLE VERB. I can't wait for you to try this. If you love amps, you are going to freak out with this release.
The double Verb according to cliff is based on my old 60's BF Twin Reverb.
I have posted this before -- but I have owned a lot of BF Fender Twins - all from the 60's (fender should have stopped then - because IMHO they had made the perfect amp).
The 60's Twin that cliff got is one of the best (if not the best) of 60's BF Twin Reverbs I have owned (and I owned few).
That old gal has seen the inside of many a honky-tonk, and she has had her share of whiskey and beer!
There is a dimensionality in the new firmware that will mark it as a true milestone.
Dear readers, we are ramping up for one hell of a company-wide release.
Honestly, I'd enjoy pushing it the other way, but I am a compression kinda player.
The main amp in question does NOT sound like the Kaiser by the way! It sounds like a great amp. Personally, I prefer other amp tone "styles" (or to buy a few nice cars) but clearly this amp has had its secrets incorporated into the model to a degree that would not have been possible with previous firmwares.
I'll say one thing for myself though: even on a Dumble, I'm still a fumble.
... In every case, with the footswitch hooked up to toggle between the model and the Axe-Fx, I'd go back and forth, play a bit, go back and forth some more, then ultimately I would need to LOOK to see which one I was playing through. There is a dimensionality in the new firmware that will mark it as a true milestone.
Sometimes when I think I've been a complete dick I'll search out the Kaiser clips again... and then everything is OK
Utter, utter genius.
Mind you, it's heart-warming to see younger players ready to absorb knowledge: Henry Kaiser schools Loomis and Merrow - YouTube
Well this has more to do with HK, rather than dumble......
Dear Matt
The only difference between a dumble overdrive special and most other amplifiers is the concept behind it! When you said "..but I am a compression kinda player" - you understood the main difference between the d-style concept to other amps. The D-Style concept is: feeding a clean preamp with tonestack into a overdrive circuit but "not" the usual way - just bring out the texture of the clean preamp into the OD circuit - not the whole thing, that would usually drives the 2nd valve (the one we can change triode plate frequency on both triode stages in our AxeFx II) into the overdriven tone area! And of corse - it add a lot of compression too.
So what's the fuzz? A dumble is a very touchy and high sensitive amp, when it comes to overdriven tones - it's one of the most open wide sounding amp concept I am aware of! This is not made for all kind of styles of music, not for all players and it's not the holy grail of tone - it's just another great way to amplify an electric guitar!
The ODS in the box was inspired by the Bludotone Ojai - according to most web sources one of the closest clones to the RF-dumble. IMO: I like the older styles of d-style amps much better - different clean stages, different biasing of the clean triode stages, than on newer dumbles....
Cliff's machine is #213 - I assume, it's fitted with an HRM post OD tonestack (which I don't like either....)
Cheers
Paco
Firmware 10 release notes: "The ODS-100 models were redone and matched to a Dumble Overdrive Special, S/N 0213. This particular amp is a 100W “HRM” version. The lead channel was matched with the preamp bypass (PAB) engaged which bypasses the input tone stack. The lead channel was also modeled with the Drive control at approximately 7.0. The Input Trim parameter can be used to increase or decrease the drive. Note that the clean channel has a bright cap on the Master Volume. This causes the tone to get brighter as the MV is reduced and vice-versa"