Can't get a good full clean sound? (beginner)

tommyq94 said:
I have attached a short recording of the clean guitar sound I have, im trying to get it to sound more open and full. I know panning two takes hard left and right is the right way of going about this. It still sounds a bit tinny and thin to me.

Increasing the Bass on the Output EQ definitely helped, as did using the Clean Boost.

Im wondering could it be my Squire Telecaster that is not giving me the full tone im looking for?

I am genuinely willing to pay whatever this costs to get a full tone in Ableton, as I want to get recording an EP and this is where im stuck at!

I was naive enough to think the FM3 would solve all my problems out of the box! :(

My chain is:

  • Squire Telecaster (made in China, one of the better models)
  • into FM3 via 1 XLR cable
  • UMC404HD Audio Interface
  • Ableton Live 12, pan hard L and R
  • Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones



Any help is REALLY appreciated!
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How about this? Just a single track straight from fm3
 
Hi guys,

Just before I go any further with trying to shape the tone, should I be recording using the FM3 as an Audio Interface via USB?

Would this be the cleanest I can get it into my DAW, and would this mean that it would be a Stereo signal?

I have tried recording via this method and I thought it was a bit cleaner, but I may be hearing things at this stage. Unfortunately this method did introduce some latency..

This is the clean preset I made and I feel its the closest to what im looking for, but not quite there yet. It can sound raspy in the mix.
 

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tommyq94 said:
Hi guys,

Just before I go any further with trying to shape the tone, should I be recording using the FM3 as an Audio Interface via USB?

Would this be the cleanest I can get it into my DAW, and would this mean that it would be a Stereo signal?

I have tried recording via this method and I thought it was a bit cleaner, but I may be hearing things at this stage. Unfortunately this method did introduce some latency..

This is the clean preset I made and I feel its the closest to what im looking for, but not quite there yet. It can sound raspy in the mix.
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There's nothing wrong per se with using the analog outs to go into your interface. You would just need to use 2 XLRs and use 2 inputs on your interface.

Using the FM3 as an interface just simplifies the setup and removes some redundant things. When using the FM3 as an interface, it can send stereo over the one USB cable. Just make sure your FM3 is configured to send stereo out in the settings.

For latency, there shouldn't be anything as long as you have everything configured correctly in your DAW. You may have to reduce the buffer size accordingly.

I'll check out your preset a little later but consider what I said in a previous comment and forget about stereo at the moment. Learn how to do this in mono first
 
postrockrocks said:
Nah, I'm gonna challenge you on that. I can provide more similar feedback but I'm too lazy to compile them and put them in a list
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Just because someone claims something doesn't make it true.

How many threads have you seen with "my Fractal sounds terrible"? Would you agree with that? I can provide similar evidence to yours... ;)

Most times it's misuse, misconfiguration, poor settings, poor understanding, etc.

And in fact, one of the items you quoted seems to be about an FRFR and another is about a specific IR.

Lots of people are playing an untreated room and/or they have speakers on the floor, near the wall or in a corner - all of which can massively increase bass response.
 
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unix-guy said:
Just because someone claims something doesn't make it true.

How many threads have you seen with "my Fractal sounds terrible"? Would you agree with that? I can provide similar evidence to yours... ;)

Most times it's misuse, misconfiguration, poor settings, poor understanding, etc.

And in fact, one of the items you quoted seems to be about an FRFR and another is about a specific IR.

Lots of people are playing an untreated room and/or they have speakers on the floor, near the wall or in a corner - all of which can massively increase bass response.
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I believe you. FM3 sounds good. Anyway it's not hard to adjust the bass and get rid of the boomyness.
 
postrockrocks said:
The tone is just an AC30 and single coil guitar. Try the preset "CLASS-A 30' and turn the bass down using an EQ because fm3 is very bassy by default.
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I can agree with that. Especially with vox models. People always claim that they are "jangly" and "bright" but to achieve that i almost always need to cut bass significantly either with the bass knob or in the pre-amp section by adding a low cut. But always thought it is my pickups.

unix-guy said:
Just because someone claims something doesn't make it true.

How many threads have you seen with "my Fractal sounds terrible"? Would you agree with that? I can provide similar evidence to yours... ;)

Most times it's misuse, misconfiguration, poor settings, poor understanding, etc.

And in fact, one of the items you quoted seems to be about an FRFR and another is about a specific IR.

Lots of people are playing an untreated room and/or they have speakers on the floor, near the wall or in a corner - all of which can massively increase bass response.
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I am playing through headphones DT770 Pro's to be exact. I know that it is recommended to use extreme high cuts in the cab section (like 4k-5k) for headphone users, Are there any recommended settings for bass as well?
 
Aaabii said:
I can agree with that. Especially with vox models. People always claim that they are "jangly" and "bright" but to achieve that i almost always need to cut bass significantly either with the bass knob or in the pre-amp section by adding a low cut. But always thought it is my pickups.



I am playing through headphones DT770 Pro's to be exact. I know that it is recommended to use extreme high cuts in the cab section (like 4k-5k) for headphone users, Are there any recommended settings for bass as well?
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Try to start with 80Hz and work your way up... Or you can use a different IR or a DynaCab and move the mic farther away. For me I tend to end up about 100-120Hz.

This is generically, not specific to the Vox models.
 
Hi guys,

So i recorded a short demo of the tone of my cheap amp that is genuinely closer to what im trying to get in the FM3, I have attached a photo of the very basic amp and SM57 recording it just sounds so much cleaner and crisp to my ears.

I had hoped I could get this in the FM3 to then edit further etc.

The recording has no effects on it at all, and its already closer to what im looking for.

Any help would be really appreciated, as I really want to get recording but im stuck here for now, and not exactly blessed with minds such as yours here in rural Ireland :)

Thanks

 

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tommyq94 said:
I have attached a short recording of the clean guitar sound I have, im trying to get it to sound more open and full. I know panning two takes hard left and right is the right way of going about this. It still sounds a bit tinny and thin to me.

Increasing the Bass on the Output EQ definitely helped, as did using the Clean Boost.

Im wondering could it be my Squire Telecaster that is not giving me the full tone im looking for?

I am genuinely willing to pay whatever this costs to get a full tone in Ableton, as I want to get recording an EP and this is where im stuck at!

I was naive enough to think the FM3 would solve all my problems out of the box! :(

My chain is:

  • Squire Telecaster (made in China, one of the better models)
  • into FM3 via 1 XLR cable
  • UMC404HD Audio Interface
  • Ableton Live 12, pan hard L and R
  • Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro Headphones



Any help is REALLY appreciated!
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This sounds like you're on the bridge pick up and the amp has too much gain if you're going for that really pure clean sounds. Dial back the gain, go to your neck pickup, and maybe dial back the volume of your guitar.
 
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