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Can the Mic be eliminated by sum and difference?

Discussion in 'Axe-Fx III Discussion' started by dumbeat, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. dumbeat

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    On the contrary, the sound of a mic'd cab always sounds either scooped and hi fi or smallish, but never as defined as the sound of the cab itself. Again, level is not an issue. Even a 10" with Vol at 3 sounds more defined than a great recording at high volume on a great Hi Fi system.
     
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    Wouldn't you prefer the paper cone without the 57 at all? just asking
     
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    It’s mostly because the mic is inches from the speaker capturing one specific section. Your ears hear the entire cab and the sound bouncing off the room or surrounding objects.

    I’ve mentioned this already. Others have too. This is the reason a mic sounds different.

    Put your ear inches from the speaker and listen. It will sound very different.

    I can post this again if you’d like.
     
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    It's not the mic per se'. It's near-field vs. far field. Different mics sample the near-field differently. Mic'ing a speaker is sampling the near-field which sounds dramatically different than the far field. The response pattern of the mic samples the near-field and mics each have their unique pattern.

    Regardless, it's irrelevant. You'll never get monitors to sound like "cab in the room". If you want that use a SS power amp and cab. No amount of forum discussion is going to change physics.
     
  5. chris

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    But what if he gets up to page 7?
     
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    upload_2019-2-19_20-28-39.png ... and please add " also members" to item 4 of your terms of service and rules. Thanks in advance.
     
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    Hm. Definition is something different. Bad presets, wrong IRs? I wouldn't say my presets can't keep up with real amps. They punch, they shout, they kill! It's just a different flavor, that's all.
     
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    Y'all know the G12T-75 was A PA loud speaker used in train stations right? It's what the dude threw in the box, what was available. I honestly don't see how a simple EQ curve applied to a modern FRFR driver couldn't compensate for 90% of the difference in freq response between it and your texas hot lizard alnico. To where in the far field, it throws the same sound. You're just stuck with the sound of the cabinetry it's in.
     
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    If someone asks the same question in multiple threads and gets the same answers but keeps asking the same question, there’s not much else to do after some point.
     
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    I'm sure I'm not the first person to wish we had a FB-like "HaHa" emoji on here...;)
     
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    #1 covers it already. #4 is specifically about moderation decisions and people reacting to them.
     
  12. #52 dumbeat, Feb 19, 2019
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    Isn't listening to an FRFR in a room IS Far Field listening....? Not sure why the FRFR has to sound like a mic'd cab instead of the cab itself... Is it because the IR capture technique has to involve a mic? Thats why I and several others ask if the Mic filter contribution can not be analyzed and isolated in one technique or another to emulate the speaker behavior without the Mic.
    I think these are valid questions and not ones that have been answered.
     
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    *would be valid questions
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    It doesn’t produce what you’re thinking it does. And it STILL won’t sound like you’re standing in a room with that cab. It can’t due to physics.
     
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    Thread locked in 3, 2, 1 ......
     
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  17. chris

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    No then we can’t get to page 7.
     
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    What happens on page 7
     
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    Give this man a T-shirt!!
     
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