Can the Axe-fx handle REAL surf reverb?!

FractalAudio said:
I intentionally "de-boinged" the Vintage Reverb algorithm because I thought it sounded too cartoonish. It originally sounded a lot like that Amplitube clip but I didn't like it because I thought it was too boingy. So instead of all the virtual springs being the same length I randomized the lengths to get rid of some of the boinginess. The model uses six virtual springs that vary in length.

I suppose I could add a parameter to control the amount of length variation to make it more boingy if desired.
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Advanced Parameters:
Boing - On/Off


:lol:
 
Cliff, that boing control sounds great! It would be fantastic if you could make the Axe spring reverb sound really close to a 63 reverb. Some tank info I found:
The reverb pan used is an Accutronics Reverb Pan 4AB3C1C (or 1B) with 2 springs. (3 springs sounds more like a cave).
Original tanks had 12AT7, 12AX7 and 6k6 tubes, reissues have 6v6. Most swap to 6k6.
Here are some links that might be helpful:
fender Manual + block diagram for 63 ri reverb tank: http://www.fender.com/support/manuals/p ... Reverb.pdf
Forum threads on surfguitar101.
Best number of springs in the tank: http://surfguitar101.com/modules.php?na ... pic&t=1954
Which reverb pan for tank:
http://surfguitar101.com/modules.php?na ... 1&start=15
http://surfguitar101.com/modules.php?na ... highlight=
reverb tank mods: http://surfguitar101.com/modules.php?na ... pic&t=2180
Photos from building a tank: http://surfguitar101.com/modules.php?na ... opic&t=300
 
FractalAudio said:
I intentionally "de-boinged" the Vintage Reverb algorithm because I thought it sounded too cartoonish. It originally sounded a lot like that Amplitube clip but I didn't like it because I thought it was too boingy. So instead of all the virtual springs being the same length I randomized the lengths to get rid of some of the boinginess. The model uses six virtual springs that vary in length.

I suppose I could add a parameter to control the amount of length variation to make it more boingy if desired.
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Ohh...yes please. Ya gotta have the boing!!!
 
Reddy Kilowatt said:
Have you surf guys tried the verb in front of an amp model for a little crashier sound?
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I would like to know this too. The stand alone 63 tank is connected between the guitar and the amp input. This also gives it more gain. The tank is not very transparant and colors the sound, giving it a more scooped "distant" sound with less bass and clear treble. If the Axe now simulates 6 springs, it might be great with 2 springs like the original 63 tank. Giving it a snappier boing.
Great playing MrMunky!
 
IMHO the axefx needs a drive block to add some of the drive & eq-ing of the real unit. We miss hum, hiss & random noise... :lol:
+1 for boing!
 
+10 for a boing adjusting parameter!! The vintage reverb in the Axe-Fx is too dark/mellow compared to my jiggling boingy Fender reverb tank.
 
FractalAudio said:
I intentionally "de-boinged" the Vintage Reverb algorithm because I thought it sounded too cartoonish. It originally sounded a lot like that Amplitube clip but I didn't like it because I thought it was too boingy. So instead of all the virtual springs being the same length I randomized the lengths to get rid of some of the boinginess. The model uses six virtual springs that vary in length.

I suppose I could add a parameter to control the amount of length variation to make it more boingy if desired.
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Cliff, I'm not sure if you know. The Fender Reverb Tank has three knobs: Dwell, Mixer and Tone. You obviously know what the mixer and tone knobs do. The dwell knob, in combination with the mixer knob is the key. It's not only for the amount of reverb and boing, as you say, but the output is overdriven by the tank preamp, giving an unmistakable sound. Can be pretty freaking mean on a pushed Showman.

Like I previously said, that amplitube clip is close to what a Fender tank sounds like, although the settings is pretty clean, and not dirty like a pushed tank can get. Might sound cartoonish for you, but believe me, for a surf guitar player, there's no sound like it.

Here, listen to this. These tracks are from our first CD released in 97. It's a 63 Fender tank RI into a 63 Vibroverb RI. This will give you the right picture. The soundclick files are compressed to hell though.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... ngID=41503

and

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_so ... ID=3268871
 
Boing-be-gone :eek:)

I believe Cliff was right on the money with the de-boing-ing. The 'boing' sounds were the result of less than ideal playing conditions - they were never thought of as a good sound or 'feature', (except for maybe Halloween) :shock:
 
Re: Boing-be-gone :eek:)

Radley said:
I believe Cliff was right on the money with the de-boing-ing. The 'boing' sounds were the result of less than ideal playing conditions - they were never thought of as a good sound or 'feature', (except for maybe Halloween) :shock:
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I agree, but if he can add in a control to please our surf music brothers who like that sort of thing, then more power to him. I personally probably wouldn't use it, but then again I tend to use just a touch of room or plate verb for most things. Who knows, it might make for kind of a cool special effect to pull out every now and then.
 
Re: Boing-be-gone :eek:)

Radley said:
I believe Cliff was right on the money with the de-boing-ing. The 'boing' sounds were the result of less than ideal playing conditions - they were never thought of as a good sound or 'feature', (except for maybe Halloween) :shock:
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Sure - if you are after a smooth, lush verb - but in surf and some of the raw, west coast blues etc that ugliness is part of the sound. It's part of the surf guitar culture. I'm mean guys intentionally kick the crap out of their tanks - they are going for a pretty over the top sort of sound - but vintage all the way!!
 
So, I guess we've determined the following -

"Can the Axe-fx handle REAL surf reverb?!" - It sounds like it's capable of it, particularly if Cliff puts back in the jiggle/jangle/whatever parameter.

"Does the Axe-fx presently handle REAL surf reverb?!" - Until a day comes when Cliff decides to put that modification back in, hardcore surf reverb cork sniffers may not be fully satisfied.

Will Fractal audio put this control back in? Stay tuned to coming firmware release notes...
 
Demolition Man said:
There is something about having a parameter called "Boing - On/Off" that is just really appealing. Ha ha ha... :mrgreen:
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Yeah :D ... there aren't many units on the market with a 'Boing' on/off switch :lol:
 
I was going to spring for an Axe-FX, but it's just not boingy enuff...



just kidding, I own an Ultra and it's great..

I would say yes to a boing control, but then again, I would say yes to a control for almost any parameter. it's part of the appeal of the axe for me
 
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