The experiment described in my OP was intentionally designed to isolate the preamps for comparison. Any perceived sense of flawed logic is based on an assumption that I am trying to expose some imperfection in the Axe, and has been escalated by a debate which has strayed from my original desire to draw on the real experiences of other users.The Logic here is somewhat flawed sewing that first you won't compare amp to amp model but rather amp model to preamp model.
YES!!!! My favorite real amp in the world is the Marshall JVM with the JCM 800 as a close second. (Both amps have identical power amps by the way) The JVM based models in the Axe Fx II *NAIL IT*. Same with the JCM 800 modelsYes, OP.
If you turn off poweramp and cab modeling, the Axe-Fx will replicate the exact sound of the real amp's preamp such that plugging the Axe-Fx into the real amp's physical poweramp and cab sounds completely natural and, in the tests I've personally run, almost indistinguishable from the real thing.
Yes that is basically what I was saying too. Really would like Fractal to go that direction. Creating new sonic things instead of copying. They are already doing that of course but I personally would like the focus more on that aspect. I see all those new interesting things happening now with some pedal designers.I agree 100%. However, I would *really* like to see where you would take us with your own ideas. And I don't just mean in terms of amp modeling. Everything is on the table as far as I'm concerned.
Have any of you who own an actual amp modeled in the Axe performed the following A/B test?
1) Set all real amp and model controls identically
2) connect axe to fx return of amp
3) configure axe with cab and power amp sims off
4) match volumes and compare
Does the signal from the axe truly equate to the signal at the fx send jack of the amp? Please relate your experiences with this, as I no longer have any examples to compare.
I can vouch for that as of this morning...my Matrix power amp arrived and I set it up and plugged it in...used a pair of Mesa 2x12 slant recto cabs I had lying around and ran through a few presets I created last week to match a couple of the amps in my collection that I use a lot...I WAS running it into my Roland KC-880 with the AxeFx speaker block on and they sounded really great even with that setup.Yes. I did this exact test with my Axe FX Ultra, about five years ago, comparing the Axe to a VHT head that I owned at the time. I don't recall what model I used for this test (don't recall if the original Axe had a VHT modeled in it or not) but the sounds I got were identical. It took all of five minutes of back-and-forth to nail the VHT's sound.
I have not done it with the Axe FX II, if only because I haven't felt the need.
What I have done though, is take the Axe FX II to a friend's house -- a friend who owns many glorious amps. Running the Axe into a power amp, and into real cabs produces tones that are indistinguishable to their real world counterparts.
The Axe is a truly stellar device.
I'd say not very based on my admittedly limited experience with the Matrix...but I was pretty impressed by it right off the bat. It did everything I hoped it would do right off the bat based on my having used my AxeFx with my Roland KC-880 keyboard amp. I found it to be very amp like and responsive and it was transparent enough to really let the power amp modeling do it's thing. I'm sure I'll have more insight after a week or so with it. I've been getting so much more playing in between rehearsals since getting the AxeFx.One person said, that the Axe through a matrix and a cab still doesn't sound as good as a real guitar amp through a cab. And it's the fault of the matrix, not the axe.
How accurate do you think that is?
Wow, Ed. Did you really edit this post to pimp your music? Now you have not only insulted my logic, but have destroyed the conversational flow of this thread, and given it a soundtrack that sounds like what the cable company loops while I'm on hold. Well done, sir, you've just hijacked a thread: do with it what you will.
I was doing my A/B with a Crown XTi. Not the greatest power amp by any stretch.One person said, that the Axe through a matrix and a cab still doesn't sound as good as a real guitar amp through a cab. And it's the fault of the matrix, not the axe.
How accurate do you think that is?
If it was for sale there be pumping if it was about the speaker sim then obviously notWow, Ed. Did you really edit this post to pimp your music? Now you have not only insulted my logic, but have destroyed the conversational flow of this thread, and given it a soundtrack that sounds like what the cable company loops while I'm on hold. Well done, sir, you've just hijacked a thread: do with it what you will.