Axe FX III Mk 2: Six-month review

FullThrottle64

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It's been almost 6 months since my then-new Axe FX III Mk 2 showed up. Since then, I've used it in a whole lot of applications, including live band gigs, theater work, and recording (both for-hire and home demo stuff). Netted out it’s been used in 29 live shows and a lot of rehearsal, practice, and recording time.

Here are some observations for no real reason in particular other than to help me justify the purchase:


The AFX3 is really small and light. I was able to down-size my rack and do away with a large, heavy tube head and cabinet.👍

The AFX3 sounds great and has absolute top-shelf FX options. 'Nuff said. It would be among the best multi-FX options available for guitar today even without modelling.👍

The variety of sounds possible from AFX3 are just incredible. I have yet to find a guitar sound that it cannot duplicate well enough for live performance.👍

The Presets available online seem to trend heavily towards classic rock, metal, and a few top-tier soloists. You can find a thousand Van Halen, Pink Floyd, Alice In Chains, Disturbed, and Steve Vai reference presets, but good luck finding a batch for modern country, basic jazz, or 70s funk.:rolleyes: The good news is that while off-the shelf presets can make life easy, they are absolutely not required to dial in a great sound with AFX3.

The amp models sound fantastic. Full stop.😍

AFX3 is very responsive to guitar volume control and picking attack. It sometime feels a bit different from tubes, but not really better or worse. I rely on a lot of dynamics in my work, and AFX3 gets this part right.👍

The grid system for arranging, connecting, and controlling blocks is intuitive and easy to work with. Multiplexer Blocks make the grid configuration tremendously flexible in real-time, as well.👍

The combination of Presets and Scenes gives a LOT more flexibility in performance use than competing digital rigs have. Add to this the ability to discretely select Block channel, Block Bypass, and Multiplexer input, and you have a really powerful selection system within every single Preset.👍

The harmonizer blocks are a mixed bag. For adding a basic harmony line to a lead solo, it can quickly and easily be set up to sound very good (solid grin factor). The Virtual Capo, though, is convenient but has a very perceptible latency, and seems to reduce the clarity of the sound (enough that both the singer and sound tech for my band have commented on it).:confused:

Tweaking in a live situation mid-gig is all but impossible. The front-panel interface is just not capable of getting to a deep setting quickly enough in comparison to discrete FX units and a tube head, and there's no way to "temporarily save" a change for just the rest of this gig. I’m going to start trying to play with Performance Pages, but even that assumes that you know what you’ll want to be adjusting when you set up the Preset.:(

I have found the internal IRs to be a very deep, convoluted rabbit hole. There are a lot of good possibilities, but there's not a good way to just grab a basic mic'd 4x12 1960A and tweak it until you're happy. In this area I much prefer the user interface of my dedicated loadbox/IR. There are a lot of options....so many that it takes hours to pick through them to find what you're looking for. That said, you can load or build your own quickly and easily and just bypass the thousands of pre-loaded IRs.:confused:

The number and type of I/O options present on the back panel are unmatched. For theater gigs requiring a bunch of different instruments and fast changes along with multiple sends for various FOH, recording and monitoring feeds, this thing is PERFECT! This allowed me to do away with the small rackmount mixer I used to carry, simplifying setup and reducing possible points of failure.😍

Level-matching is not always as intuitive as it should be. While I get really good comments from techs about the both quality of the sounds I get and the simplicity of a single XLR feed for my whole setup, I also get some comments about it not cutting through a mix as well as my tube amps, particularly for solos. I think that this is fixable with more tweaking, but it's been an on-going challenge, and it seems to be a lot more sensitive to volume levels than I am used to with old school amps.:confused:

Overall, AFX3 has made my gigging life easier, in size weight, cable count, etc. One big "coolness" factor is the individual channel output knobs on the front panel. SIMPLE! Want to bump or cut your stage volume slightly without changing FOH? SIMPLE! FOH guy wants more level or an EQ tweak? SIMPLE!👍

Axe-Edit is a great tool, and I have found it to be indispensible. Only trouble is that I don't want to take a laptop to a gig, so I end up doing nearly all of my programming at home before showing up to rehearsals. That means working at stage volume at home. For me, that's OK (I live on a farm), but it could be problematic for apartment dwellers. This would be true for any of the digital rigs available today, though, and really isn't unique to AFX3.👍

Fractal’s Support is world-class. I had one minor firmware issue with the AFX3, resulting in the loss of some of my IRs. Fractal Support got it fixed and restored for me in less than an hour.😍

I have had a few minor glitches where the AFX3 ended up with a combination that I didn't expect to get, and had no idea how it got there. It's rare, but really frustrating, as the only way I know to fix it is to load a completely different Preset and then go back. That is tough to do unobtrusively in the middle of a song. To be fair, this may be a glitch in the MIDI controller I am using, and I haven't been able to pin it down yet.:confused:

Fractal is continually releasing new FW versions with minor improvements and bugfixes. This is good support, but I personally don't want to spend more time chasing new FW revisions than playing. YMMV, and I would call this a Fractal advantage that you can use or not use as you see fit.👍

The quality of your monitor choice makes a huge difference in the sound you'll get from any digital rig (or any audio source, for that matter), and AFX3 is no exception. Don't cut corners here - you have a $2,000 best-in-class modeller, so use a monitor of similar capability (and that's not a $500 big-box entry-level powered wedge).🔊

Bottom line: The AFX3 is staying in my gig rack for the foreseeable future. I can see myself possibly going back to the tube head for some shows and using just the FX portion of the Axe, but right now I'm pretty happy with how this rig sounds and works.👍

Here's a clip - drums and vocals are a backing track, while all of the guitars are Axe FX 3. It sounds pretty darned good, IMO.

https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=14222196
 
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I agree with everything you said, including the mid-gig tweaks and level matching. In regards to the first, I use the performance pages for controlling overall gain of an amp, delay and reverb mix levels, and input levels for Inputs 2-4 (external effects in my case). I do any EQ tweaks using the output EQs. It's still a couple of menu dives, but keeps me from having to go deep into editing individual blocks.

In regards to level matching, while I get things sussed out with each passing gig, I still have an expression pedal dedicated to my monitor and FOH outputs. I try to keep it around 75% so I have a boost or ample cut if needed.

Great review!
 
Tweaking in a live situation mid-gig is all but impossible. The front-panel interface is just not capable of getting to a deep setting quickly enough in comparison to discrete FX units and a tube head, and there's no way to "temporarily save" a change for just the rest of this gig. I’m going to start trying to play with Performance Pages, but even that assumes that you know what you’ll want to be adjusting when you set up the Preset.:(
mprovements and bugfixes. This is good support, but I personally don't want to spend more time chasing new FW revisions than playing. YMMV, and I would call this a Fractal advantage that you can use or not use as you see fit.👍
Like you say, performance controls might help if there's only a small number of parameters you might want to change, but there's no way a multifx can compete with all the knobs and buttons of a fully populated pedal board when it comes to immediate access to parameters. At least not until there's a reasonably priced FC-96 :).

Regarding the "temporarily save for just this gig", IMHO the way for FAS to address that is to stop viewing the presets in the AxeFX as the primary repository of presets. If instead the presets were primarily stored on your computer, then you'd be more comfortable just saving the tweaks you need tonight in the AxeFX, knowing that when you get back to the studio you can easily reload the presets from your computer and overwrite the tweaks.

Here's a clip - drums and vocals are a backing track, while all of the guitars are Axe FX 3. It sounds pretty darned good, IMO.

https://www.soundclick.com/music/songInfo.cfm?songID=14222196
Nice.
 
Regarding the "temporarily save for just this gig", IMHO the way for FAS to address that is to stop viewing the presets in the AxeFX as the primary repository of presets. If instead the presets were primarily stored on your computer, then you'd be more comfortable just saving the tweaks you need tonight in the AxeFX, knowing that when you get back to the studio you can easily reload the presets from your computer and overwrite the tweaks.
This doesn't require Fractal to do anything... A user can already do this with no changes to the unit or firmware.

Make a backup. That's your on-computer master copy. Reload it whenever you want.

It's really just a workflow method.
 
This doesn't require Fractal to do anything... A user can already do this with no changes to the unit or firmware.

Make a backup. That's your on-computer master copy. Reload it whenever you want.

It's really just a workflow method.
I knew somebody would reply with that, which is why I emphasized the word "easily" :). This is similar to the discussion about whether backup files are an adequate workaround for set lists.
 
Regarding "temporarily save for just this gig" another approach would be to utilize the banks in a different mode as a way to keep up to 4 versions of a preset with one bank being read-only source which would allow on-the-fly changes w/o clobbering the write-protected version. (Still requires backing up / restoring as necessary or desired.)

For example:
  • User configures Bank A (0-127) as read-only/write-protected source (hitting Save would not overwrite unless the next step is done)
  • User configures Bank B as writable/last-saved 'mirror' of Bank A. This becomes the save location for presets in Bank A.
  • User modifies preset XYZ in Bank A and hits Save which saves it to Bank B and shows Preset *XYZ or XYZ.B indicating it is last saved version (really in Bank B). [Could show version count, e.g. XYZ.3 would be indicate the third time it's been saved]
  • User can recall (or switch between) original or last-saved version as desired. Re-saving would always go to Bank B.
  • Optional: set up to 3 banks to keep up to 3 last-saved versions of presets. Other banks could be initially empty or contain actual copies of origs.
  • Even more complex: have some kind of diff/version maintenance as part of AxeEdit or other tool. But then this would argue for @GlennO's suggestion.
Yes this would complicate things but something like this seems possible.
 
Regarding "temporarily save for just this gig" another approach would be to utilize the banks in a different mode as a way to keep up to 4 versions of a preset with one bank being read-only source which would allow on-the-fly changes w/o clobbering the write-protected version. (Still requires backing up / restoring as necessary or desired.)

For example:
  • User configures Bank A (0-127) as read-only/write-protected source (hitting Save would not overwrite unless the next step is done)
  • User configures Bank B as writable/last-saved 'mirror' of Bank A. This becomes the save location for presets in Bank A.
  • User modifies preset XYZ in Bank A and hits Save which saves it to Bank B and shows Preset *XYZ or XYZ.B indicating it is last saved version (really in Bank B). [Could show version count, e.g. XYZ.3 would be indicate the third time it's been saved]
  • User can recall (or switch between) original or last-saved version as desired. Re-saving would always go to Bank B.
  • Optional: set up to 3 banks to keep up to 3 last-saved versions of presets. Other banks could be initially empty or contain actual copies of origs.
  • Even more complex: have some kind of diff/version maintenance as part of AxeEdit or other tool. But then this would argue for @GlennO's suggestion.
Yes this would complicate things but something like this seems possible.
Cool ideas. I suppose one simple solution would be restoring from backup... keep the read-only version backed up at home, and get in a habit of restoring from backup after any gig-only changes.

I find the tricky thing is deciding whether to make changes permanent or not. Sometimes a tweak feels like something just for a particular gig or room, while other times it seems like a long-term improvement. Would be nice to have some kind of diff tool in AxeEdit that could compare a preset to the backed-up version.
 
From another angle, I often decide to Save As a modified variant of a preset I'm working on. Don't want to overwrite the previous version but I do want to save these changes.

Sounds good, right?

Except then I end up with 8 versions of the preset. Ideally I'd "always" go back and choose one, and nuke the rest, except I don't necessarily do that. Or, I go back to choose one, but it turns out I think I like each of them, a bit differently maybe, but they're not actually that different.

First world problem for sure, but I've got it.
 
It would ACE if block options could be edited by MIDI. (Well obviously they can be via AxeEdit, but that protocol is not public.) If it was, we could make physical control surfaces that were laid out like a pedal board and have the best of both worlds. I think FracPad/FracTool can edit block parameters, so maybe that could work, but I miss 1-to-1 physical knobs.
 
It would ACE if block options could be edited by MIDI. (Well obviously they can be via AxeEdit, but that protocol is not public.) If it was, we could make physical control surfaces that were laid out like a pedal board and have the best of both worlds. I think FracPad/FracTool can edit block parameters, so maybe that could work, but I miss 1-to-1 physical knobs.
Anything that allows a modifier can be... Just use External Controllers.

Then you are just limited to the number of external controllers.
 
A few years ago, somebody manufactured a rack unit that was like a amplifier front panel. I forgot the name of it, or who made it.. (Was it Al G?). It connected to the AXEFX II via sysex I think, and it allowed real world control like it was an amp. It was a cool device. It looked good and seemed highly functional, although it was pricey. I have found that the performance page solves a lot of that for me on the III, but I have also thought about how a single rack unit with a bunch of rotary knobs on it tied to effects or levels would be awesome to have... just like knobs on a pedal board. Quickly change delay time, feedback, level, drive, B,M,T, drive, etc.
If Fractal were to ever produce a control surface like that, it would probably be a hot seller, and the ONE THING I would GAS for.
 
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...unit with a bunch of rotary knobs on it tied to effects or levels would be awesome to have... just like knobs on a pedal board. Quickly change delay time, feedback, level, drive, B,M,T, drive, etc.
If Fractal were to ever produce a control surface like that, it would probably be a hot seller, and the ONE THING I would GAS for.

+1. I've been wanting something exactly like this since I first got the Axe, although I'd rather have something in the form factor of an FC-6 or FC-12.
 
Doesn't the performance page address it?
To a certain extent, but you have to know what you want to edit ahead of time. The one thing I miss is being able to do silly things with pedals, eg put delays in oscillation, sweep tone knobs... who knows? I saw a fusion band once where the guitarist started an oscillation and spend the rest of the jam experimenting with pedals making textures. Sounds like chaos but he knew what he was doing and it was very interesting.
 
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Yes that’s what I’m imagining.


I’m imagining a custom control surface with virtual pedals on it, say 4-5 rotary encoders and a small lcd, per pedal. I’m not sure that would work over MIDI
As I mentioned, as long as what you're wanting to control supports modifier assignment and you don't exceed the number of external controllers, it will.

Alternately, you could probably use sysex but I don't know how much of that is exposed...
 
None of the parameters are exposed by sysex (not publicly). Wouldn’t external controllers have to go via one of the controller inputs? I thought there were only 4?
 
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