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Axe-Fx III Flanger?

Strumzilla

Forum Addict
There's definitely some sort of filter effect heard, maybe it's the varitone, that's as good a theory as I've heard. For awhile I thought it might be a cocked wah or similar. I've read mixed reports even from the man himself about whether it was the ES 355 for TSOR or one of his newer (at the time) modded strats with a hb in the bridge. I've also heard him say flanger much more often, but I've heard him say phaser as well, although I tend to agree it's more flangeresque to my ears. I'm sure it's possible to get close with a phaser given the appropriate signal chain. On the III, the flanger straight into a chorus block gets closer than anything so far, and I've been messing around with pre and post filter blocks but I'm not quite there yet. I agree that he's never replicated the recording sound live, it's usually not anywhere close.
 

steadystate

Fractal Fanatic
I'm not saying I think it is a phaser, just that I always got a closer result with one. Here is a quick (and sloppy) example of the best I could get with both.


Personally, I think the phaser sounds far more like the mod effect on the record than any flanger I've ever tried or heard.
 

WhiteSpace

Inspired
Great discussion. I think the Fractal tools give us a bigger palette applicable to more songs for less money than you would spend on a whole whack of pedals/amps that maybe wouldn’t get us any closer.

The sometimes once in a blue moon I stumble upon my own tone by happenstance that when played in the cover sounds better or just more unique than the original and get complements on it. That is almost as cool as nailing the original tone.
 

Admin M@

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Fractal Audio Systems
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For a phase-like flanger, try it 100% wet (or thereabouts) with negative feedback. Delay time is in the range of 0.2 ms IIRC.
 

Scented Meat

Veteran
I'm not saying I think it is a phaser, just that I always got a closer result with one. Here is a quick (and sloppy) example of the best I could get with both.


Personally, I think the phaser sounds far more like the mod effect on the record than any flanger I've ever tried or heard.
I think both are killer and remarkably close!
 

steadystate

Fractal Fanatic
They are similar, but the phase shifter sounds more like TSOR to my ears. A flanger doesn't have that sucked-out "growl", at least none that I've ever tried; especially the Electric Mistress (standard or deluxe). Negative feedback on a flanger doesn't sound the same to my ears. I have, however, tried several phase shifters that have this quality.

I agree with M@; there may be other things going on. To me, it is more of a phase shifter with a flanger-like quality than a flanger with a phaser-like quality. I just find it hard to believe it is simply an Electric Mistress or other standard flanger, whether pre or post.
 
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Strumzilla

Forum Addict
There's this sort of hiss (maybe what you're calling a sucked out growl) to the original that feels like a filter or equivalent being applied to whatever the modulation was he used. Maybe it's inherent to the effect he used itself. The fact that so many people have had trouble finding this sound tells me you're right, there's stuff applied in post that is never discussed. Maybe someone can ask Terry Brown. Yours is pretty close, definitely close enough for all but the most picky tone chasers. Clearly Alex didn't worry about it afterwards. As many times as I've seen him play it live and then watched all the blu rays, it's like he's not even trying to get close.
 
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