Axe-Fx III Firmware Release Version 15.01

stereotactic said:
At the very least, it’s a test of ears vs eyes when a control doesn’t do something. Helps keep mind and body sharp...
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Maybe so, but from a UX/UI perspective my opinion is that is doesn’t make sense to present a non-functioning control no matter where it is unless there is some context.

For instance, one way to address this would be to grey out the knob that you can’t modify with hover text stating “modifying this control has no effect for this amp”.

I don’t know where this particular knob in question is, but if it’s on that Ideal page, having a non-functioning knob doesn’t seem that ideal.

Again, I’m just looking at it through a UI design/user lens.
 
The high end is really nice and authentic with this FW. Pinch harmonics are effortless and sound so lively and authentic. Best yet imo :)
 
finalformdc said:
Maybe so, but from a UX/UI perspective my opinion is that is doesn’t make sense to present a non-functioning control no matter where it is unless there is some context.

For instance, one way to address this would be to grey out the knob that you can’t modify with hover text stating “modifying this control has no effect for this amp”.

I don’t know where this particular knob in question is, but if it’s on that Ideal page, having a non-functioning knob doesn’t seem that ideal.

Again, I’m just looking at it through a UI design/user lens.
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UI is important, but I’d rather FA spend as much time on the modeling as possible. And I’ve certainly seen much worse UI in pro audio than FA. Most Eventide products have terrible UI, TC Electronic is even worse...

Every change in code requires actual man hours. It’s possible that adding the feature you want would require a new code instruction for every single parameter on each page. Which then means more opportunities for human error during each firmware update. No expert am I, but every time I ask someone about writing DSP code, I’m amazed at how much work is involved.

A few years ago I asked if there was a way to show which parameters were affected by firmware updates, and what the old and new values were in the UI. Didn’t get much response, then I realized it was probably better for my critical listening skills to just go ahead and adjust the parameters until it sounded good again...
 
finalformdc said:
For instance, one way to address this would be to grey out the knob that you can’t modify with hover text stating “modifying this control has no effect for this amp”.
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FractalAudio said:
That amp doesn't have a depth control and the Depth parameter has never done anything on that model because it doesn't have any negative feedback.
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If you add negative feedback you get negative feedback. Amp modeling is universal, it's not selectively applied based on the model.
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As Cliff said, the amp modeling is "universal" so it's not that some controls are entirely inactive/unusable on a given amp but might have "no effect" conditionally based on other controls (e.g. depth depending on negative feedback). If you want depth to work, turn up NF. In other cases, each control (e.g. BMT) has different net effects on each amp model due to the particulars of the circuit and components.

This is mostly about education on how amps work... which I am still learning myself. AND there can be bugs, so if a control apparently does nothing on a particular amp, it's good to check with others (e.g. here).
 
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yyz67 said:
Back before fw 11.x the band commander had a different (to my ears, fatter) impedance curve peaking at 100Hz which I love. I turned off loading new curves back then so I wouldn't lose it (as well as other curves on other amps I preferred).

The post 11.x default curve for that amp is 2x12 Double Verb which peaks at 50Hz. I have no idea what cab/imped would be the most "authentic" but I like the pre 11.x best.
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I would guess the 2x12 Bassman cab curve would be closest, since they used very similar closed-back cabs. That is what I use with the Band Commander model.
 
FractalAudio said:
finalformdc said:
Right, I’m just wondering if there is a need to do something for those controls that don’t do anything so users aren’t turning knobs and then asking questions
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Something has been done. They're not visible in authentic mode.
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How about a rephrase to get his question across a bit more clearly:
Can controls that don’t do anything be removed FROM THE IDEAL PAGE AS WELL, so users aren’t turning knobs and then asking questions? If they are not going to do anything, why have them in ANY view?
 
ChrisHooker said:
How about a rephrase to get his question across a bit more clearly:
Can controls that don’t do anything be removed FROM THE IDEAL PAGE AS WELL, so users aren’t turning knobs and then asking questions? If they are not going to do anything, why have them in ANY view?
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yyz67 said:
As Cliff said, the amp modeling is "universal" so it's not that some controls are entirely inactive/unusable on a given amp but might have "no effect" conditionally based on other controls (e.g. depth depending on negative feedback). If you want depth to work, turn up NF. In other cases, each control (e.g. BMT) has different net effects on each amp model due to the particulars of the circuit and components.
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DLC86 said:
Yeah, the bandmaster originally came with a closed 2x12 so it should be more authentic a low res frequency around 100Hz
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For a while in the blonde era, they had ported cabs with a lot of the piggyback amps. For a while, IIRC, Ted Weber was poking around with making the speaker mounting rings that made them unique....
 
ChrisHooker said:
How about a rephrase to get his question across a bit more clearly:
Can controls that don’t do anything be removed FROM THE IDEAL PAGE AS WELL, so users aren’t turning knobs and then asking questions? If they are not going to do anything, why have them in ANY view?
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Because it requires custom programming per amp model, with little added value.
 
FractalAudio said:
That amp doesn't have a depth control and the Depth parameter has never done anything on that model because it doesn't have any negative feedback.
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Ah, okay that makes sense. I swear the depth was working back in FW’s 12 & 14, but it may have been placebo.

I do find 15.01 to be the closest to the real DC30 so far. To my ears it now has the right top end character from the power section.
 
Omri Bazelet said:
HOLY FUCK THAT FIRMWARE IS SO AMAZING.
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I agree I feel more the guitar when playing. It feel faster I feel the guitar wood better. I Don't need as much gain to get the same fluidity. More high frequency maybe for same setting? I love it for playing one hour fenders and Marshall's with it with a lespaul. Fantastic work done by Fractal.
 
Joe Bfstplk said:
For a while in the blonde era, they had ported cabs with a lot of the piggyback amps. For a while, IIRC, Ted Weber was poking around with making the speaker mounting rings that made them unique....
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In this case the 2x12 Bassbuster might be a good choice for the speaker impedance curve, it's from my own cab (fender bassbreaker) and it is ported and pretty similar to the blonde fenders construction-wise (no mounting rings though), but it was measured with Fane F70 speakers in it
 
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The 2x12 Bassman and Bassbuster have a lower resonances near 100Hz. But the bassbuster looks cool with 3 resonances.

I can't yet audition the differences as my main good ear is clogged (hopefully just wax). I understand that shoving a q-tip in there is a good way to clear it out (jk) ;). Actually I've tried several rounds of H2O2 but so far no luck. Usually takes a day or more. It's always disconcerting when this happens and I want to play with FW 15.01!
 
yyz67 said:
The 2x12 Bassman and Bassbuster have a lower resonances near 100Hz. But the bassbuster looks cool with 3 resonances.

I can't yet audition the differences as my main good ear is clogged (hopefully just wax). I understand that shoving a q-tip in there is a good way to clear it out (jk) ;). Actually I've tried several rounds of H2O2 but so far no luck. Usually takes a day or more. It's always disconcerting when this happens and I want to play with FW 15.01!
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I had that happen this past summer. Tried everything. Made an appointment with an ear specialist and they couldn't see me for four weeks and wanted me to take a hearing test first and then talk about the test and then they'd clean my ear if they felt it was necessary. I told them "it's just plugged up with wax, it's a two-minute procedure". "Sorry sir, that's not the way we do things".

So I grudgingly made an appointment. A week later it was driving me crazy so I called my PCP. They said, "just come in and we'll clean your ear". Two minutes later I'm out the door and could hear an ant fart.
 
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