@6L6C Thanks for thread, although it seems to have gone off the rails. Did you get a chance to preview the unit through headphones at all?
@FractalAudio I'm up for more demos tracks online. I can't wait to hear more!
I have read the whole Axe FX II manual on my iPhone using Instapaper. Google it, it's free.What was the name of that iPhone app to read the manual?
I've seen this stated several times in this thread, so far, and I think it needs to be clarified: he is not entitled to his opinion, he is only entitled to his informed opinion, at least if he is going to air it publicly. If his opinion, no matter how earnestly held, comes from a place of ignorance, then the viewing public is under no obligation to take it seriously or leave it unscrutinized.
And that is, I believe, the problem here: his opinion was not arrived at through adequate interaction with the device. I can find no indication, from his own description, that he is qualified to arrive at any meaningful opinion whatsoever. Why should we take him seriously, then? To denounce the product as "disappointing" (among other worthlessly vague and subjective adjectives) from such a limited demonstration is absurd, and IMO rightly deserves the skepticism and disregard it received.
As Mark Hughes once said: The Internet is a wonderful, fabulous place for the public discussion and debate of ideas - even with all of its problems, it is still the best communications medium humanity has ever invented. It is not a kind and gentle fairyland where everyone's ideas are supported and nurtured and allowed to pass, no matter how bizarre, because they represent the special uniqueness of each individual.
Trolls, however intentioned, need not be tolerated. Uninformed opinions, proudly (and ignorantly) delivered on public forums, are the lifeblood of trollish communication, and should be stamped out wherever they appear. It is a public duty!
This would be way off-topic but....your post and your signature jive very well...Humans.
Can't live with 'em. Can't shoot them with a 12 gauge and bury them behind the shed with a rusty shovel. That just won't fit.
I've seen this stated several times in this thread, so far, and I think it needs to be clarified: he is not entitled to his opinion, he is only entitled to his informed opinion, at least if he is going to air it publicly. If his opinion, no matter how earnestly held, comes from a place of ignorance, then the viewing public is under no obligation to take it seriously or leave it unscrutinized.
And that is, I believe, the problem here: his opinion was not arrived at through adequate interaction with the device. I can find no indication, from his own description, that he is qualified to arrive at any meaningful opinion whatsoever. Why should we take him seriously, then? To denounce the product as "disappointing" (among other worthlessly vague and subjective adjectives) from such a limited demonstration is absurd, and IMO rightly deserves the skepticism and disregard it received.
As Mark Hughes once said: The Internet is a wonderful, fabulous place for the public discussion and debate of ideas - even with all of its problems, it is still the best communications medium humanity has ever invented. It is not a kind and gentle fairyland where everyone's ideas are supported and nurtured and allowed to pass, no matter how bizarre, because they represent the special uniqueness of each individual.
Trolls, however intentioned, need not be tolerated. Uninformed opinions, proudly (and ignorantly) delivered on public forums, are the lifeblood of trollish communication, and should be stamped out wherever they appear. It is a public duty!
Agreed. Just as people using extreme language ("best ever" and "thin and lifeless") about the device are off the mark.
The first post by the individual in question had all the marks of a troll post. For one thing, he was apparently unaware that any issues of comparison to "the real thing" have been understood and addressed/accepted by the vast majority of the participants here. He also apparently did not realize that there is 15-day trial period. A little surfing of the site in advance of that post would have made matters clearer to him, and I suspect he would have trod a bit more lightly had he done so.
This would be way off-topic but....your post and your signature jive very well...
No. But many have witnessed the current Axe-FX and the new one should be an improvement and is touted as such by respected members. So by extrapolation there is a point to be made if the original Axe's held their own against the Eventide that the new one should not be less.Wait a minute - Did you just propose to "Stamp" almost the entirety of the AxeII subforum - it's composed mostly of users "airing their opinions" on the virtues of AxeII after having only listened to clips, thereby being much less "informed" about the unit than the guy who actually got to experience it and maybe witnessed others interacting with the unit?
I'm not going to "join the fight" (even though I'm one of those who thinks the guy is entitled to his opinion, wasn't overly negative, and shouldn't have been bashed)...Agreed. Just as people using extreme language ("best ever" and "thin and lifeless") about the device are off the mark.
The first post by the individual in question had all the marks of a troll post. For one thing, he was apparently unaware that any issues of comparison to "the real thing" have been understood and addressed/accepted by the vast majority of the participants here. He also apparently did not realize that there is 15-day trial period. A little surfing of the site in advance of that post would have made matters clearer to him, and I suspect he would have trod a bit more lightly had he done so.
Everything's awesome
this update truly rocks
outstanding
superb
All models sound more awesome
Truly awesomeness has again been achieved
spooky how real it felt and sounded
this update IS something
Awesome tones
Sounds out of this world
beyond awesome IMHO
Just Wow!
Just amazing
Unbeliebubble (sic)
new models are simply awesome
everything i'd hoped for
all awesome
sound superb
Axe Fx is the GAS solution
makes it even harder (again) to stop playin and put my guitar down
am blown away each time
Those are all completely over the top. If that much improvement were even possible, then all the prior firmware revisions would have to have been crap.The following are actual quotes from the user comments resulting from a f/w release in the past (10.x).
They are both, and IMO they lack credibility for exactly that reason. You will not find a single instance of my using superlatives about firmware releases, because IMO they have not been justified.If these are not extreme (and non-measurable), I don't know what is...
He can, and he did. Unless a mod has removed them in the last minute or so, his comments are still there. IMO (still) he was trolling, but I have acknowledged several times that I may be mistaken.if these below are the norm (and admit it, they are!), then why can't a person who wasn't impressed use terms like "thin and lifeless"?
HeyJohn, did you have a chance to dial in a preset or play with any parameters or was it hands off and just listen to what was already dialed up?
I step away for a day and this thread takes on a life of it’s own, just taking a while to comb through it all.I tried to get a response from him to just to see if the topic could be salvaged but I believe it's a lost cause at this point, just waiting for someone to lock it up and throw away the key :roll.
No problem at all, I wanted to take more but I did not want to be a pain in the ass to Fractal, so one was good.Thanks for your take and the pics
I was really more bewildered?? I would have liked to peruse it a little moreIt's not clear to me why anyone besides Fractal Audio would be upset by Ken's review
What I think many are interested in is "Is it better than what I currently have (Standard or Ultra)?" and, if so, "Is the improved sound worth the additional purchase?"
Well said! And no problem, it’s an exciting piece of gear I had to post, was bursting at the seams.Jesuzz, too many posts discussing the discussion...
6L6C thanks for the insight. Wish I was there.
No did not play the unit at all (I stated somewhere, I think ??) I was more interested in what was under the hood, let the other guy’s play and do the heavy lifting, I was just listening to them.@6L6C Thanks for thread, although it seems to have gone off the rails. Did you get a chance to preview the unit through headphones at all?
This is true but allot of times it is someone young and impulsive, I’m 47 so the young part is out the window! But I’m not an impulsive buyer with guitar gear, even as a kid. Especially electronic gear I usually like to wait at least a few months and see how something is fairing with the public. This time its different you could consider me an impulse buyer in this case and a “fanboi”, with some of the statements I made (and stand by). You will have to take my word for it, if I went to the show and was not impressed or felt the AF II was just a hair better than the current units I could walk away. A few days after the show and I still can’t wait to hit the “buy it now” or “send payment” button, whatever it is.The only thing worse than a troll is a fanboi who drinks whatever koolaide they're given.
I'm thinking of starting a forum forum.
Give people a place to post bitches about forums.
There are forums for people that own/run forums too and they bitch about the members and how they bitch.
If you do start it, you could call it 'www.forumbitchers.com' LOL.
It's not the language or the 'gushing' guys. It's the context which - when added - makes the gushing work/not work in perspective. Let's be a little more adult here, it's not just this or that defining what has credibility or not. It's the context, the perspective and the history with that person's taste, talent, experience and preferences that makes it work... or not.