paulmapp8306
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I just say: gimme a XLR and set the strip to Line.
But I run mono because I don't really believe in a stereo FOH signal.
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I just say: gimme a XLR and set the strip to Line.
But I run mono because I don't really believe in a stereo FOH signal.
There are definitely presets that are not sum-mono compatible. Also, there are presets that will sound thin with copy L to R, like the crossover preset.Are any settings on the forum, both user contributed or factory, setup that they will not provide all effects in a mono situation? Does the AXE FX II send all of the programmed signal through the Left XLR output 1? Our FOH board is a stereo board, but I usually send a mono signal to simplify.
I have been running PA's of various sizes for some 30 yrs, and most do not run in stereo - at least not from a "hi-fi" perspective. My current 3-way PA system qualifies as stereo - in that I can pan left and right and have separate left/right amps for the tops. Subs have been single channel - summed to "mono" thru the crossover and into the amp with the same signal going to left/right subs - for as long as I can remember.Give it a go FOH if you get a chance. You may be suprised to find it actually works well in a live setting, particularly in small/compact venues. again it's a preference thing, but do keep an open mind. There are some closed minded and ignorant folk who maintain they know best. Going stereo to FOH is not asking for the audience to hear the effect of a Hi-Fi, but rather an effect in its own right. Keep in mind that with 2 or 3 way PA systems, the bass frequencies (sent to the bass bins) are often summed to mono anyway. I have used this 'stereo top/mono bass' method from time to time. The human ear can't pinpoint the source of bass, you kind of just hear and feel it, so it really is neither mono OR stereo. However you can judiciously mess with the upper frequencies. I have heard this done by the pro's too. It works particularly well with both guitars and drums.
I have not found that to be true in regards to ping pong delay. The sound doesn't just disappear, there are generally way to many reflections for that. I have done extensive listening in small and larger rooms with my setup. Stereo effects like phase reverse and enhancer will easily collapse and cause issues, but things like ping pong delay, flanges panning across the room, etc. have always been.
The mor you are it of the zone the less pronounced the effect but for me it has alway worked.
My original post on the topic that you were referring to Sean, was trying to simplify the issue for the average guitar player... It's generally easier to make a blanket statement to avoid "stereo" effects in your rig than to get into the technical details (as you have done) over what works and what doesn't. Thank you for that..There is a difference as well with stuff like ping pong delays, sweeps from left to right (particularly hard L/R) and true stereo effects.
Where the things get tricky and do not typically work well is when the effect relies on creating a phantom center image. Stuff like phase reversal techniques and the Hass effect easily collapse in many live environments.
A ping pong delay will still work. You can be anywhere in a half decent room and generally determine which speaker a tone is coming out of and here there that is coming out of one then the other.
As has been said, check for mono compatibly. The biggest problem is not all venues are wired for stereo.
No matter if I am using my real Rectifiers or my Axe FX, I always go for mono. We are two guitar players I my band, that's enough stereo concerning the guitars. So for the Axe FX ist is XLR cable straight to the stage box, never had any problems, never heard any complaints from our sound crew.
...In generic terms, all connections on the mixer are single channel (mono) and that includes all drum, guitar, bass and vox hookups. Keys are the standard exception with 2 channels used...
Hear, hear! We guitarists are being discriminated against! Stringslingers unite! On the barricades!!! Anarchy in the USA! We demand the same treatment as the buttonpushers get! At the very least, since our instrument is a lot harder and more expressive and takes longer to get a good tone out of!If stereo doesn't matter, why does it for keys?
Why is there a difference between keys and guitar? If keys are allowed to have it, then why aren't guitars allowed to have it? Can't see the difference.
How to win friends and influence people.I've seen several sound guys come and go and know several around town. I've always just made a point to befriend them, to let them know that I am flexable by asking them what they need from me before I ask anything from them. Nothing more than employing the universal law "treat others as you would like to be treated". I've found if you don't have your guard up, sound guys don't have any reason too have theirs up. It seems that a lot of sound guys I have had experience with have not so good preconceived notions about guitar players. I wonder why that is? If you make them your friend they'll do darn near anything for you.
LOL - point taken. Idk why, but it might be that keys are generally more full range than guitars??If stereo doesn't matter, why does it for keys?
Why is there a difference between keys and guitar? If keys are allowed to have it, then why aren't guitars allowed to have it? Can't see the difference.
That's what I do mostly - for my own PA - which is a tri-amp'ed, 3-way system. It is important that guitar players do not assume that a new venue/provider will have what you want/need. Always advance the show if you can. As a soundguy for a local Festival for example, I will usually make contact with every band up front, and make sure I get stage plots, etc. for those that don't send me tech riders. That way I have everything they need when they hit the stage. Same goes for any other band I provide for.I run dual mono a lot and it sounds okay.
Just make sure if you are not running the FOH yourself that you can run mono or that your presets are okay for combining L+R in the FOH without phase issues (just in case they pan both of your channels tight).
How to win friends and influence people.