Amp model shootout

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Took some time at rehearsal tonight for a personal amp shootout. It was targeted at medium to higher gain. Because I'm already settled on the cleans and crunch.

My clean tone these days is the Deluxe Reverb Vibrato, Drive at 2.2 and Bass dialed back a bit. I love these amps / amp models with simple controls, quirks and all. Perfect tones, EQ'd and compressed to death, are not interesting IMHO, they don't stick. I prefer authentic over perfect. Isn't limited to amp models only BTW...

My crunch tone is also the Deluxe Reverb Vibrato. Drive at 9-10, and Bass turned down all the way. What an awesome tone. Works well with single coils as well as humbuckers.

I use these amp models with my 1x12 KTS 70-equipped cab, or my 2x12 with an EV-12L and KTS-70, through a Seymour Duncan PS-70. Fenders work very well with G12M or G12H Celestions, as proven by the Black Crowes. The traditional power amp amp + guitar cabinet remains my preferred backline rig. Beats the hell out of any FR system (which I also love, but for other purposes). Currently using an IR from YA's Checkmate M25 library when going through FRFR.

Okay, back to the higher gain stuff, which I tested with these same cabs. As you probably already know, 50% or more of the sound comes from the cabinet. So putting various amp models through the same cabinet makes them sound quite similar. Still, enough differences. I'm not a metal guy, and also not a Mesa / Diesel / etc. guy, so certain amp types just don't interest me.

Let's start with my current favorite: Carol-Ann Tucana Lead. In the past I thought this model was too polished. But as it turns out, it delivers just the right frequencies at gig level and I'm a Carol-Ann fan. Make sure to set Input Drive not too low, and turn up Overdrive to where you like it, going from classic rock to modern high-gain. You'd think that the amp is dark, but not at gig level. Keep Presence at default, and adjust Treble if necessary.

The CA Triptik is very close to the Tucana. But I prefer the Tucana. At default settings it's closer to my "ideal" dial tone than the Triptik.

Inspired by @Burgs "Brownies" video and preset, I tried the Brit Brown. Which is THE perfect amp model for some purposes, but too heavy and too thin in the highs to my liking. If I played in an '80s hard rock band, this would be my choice though.

The Friedman BE V1 always hits the mark. But two things keep me away from it. First, it 's too generic, it misses some character of its own. I think that @2112 (Leon Todd) made a similar comment. Also, somehow I don't like this amp model for leads. The notes don't cut through as well as for example through the Tucana.

Fryette More is a personal favorite. I have Fryette's GP/DI and Power Station 2 amps. The man's a genius. But the Fryette sound is not something I can use in my band. It's a bit too sterile, too industrial. But what a tone. Also fantastic for leads, so thick.

Played the JMPre, with Bass Shift, but this doesn't deliver the Marshall tone I'd choose, it's 2-dimensional for lack of a better description.

Played the Plexi 6550, which in the past used to be one of my favorite Marshall tones, because it was a bit darker and fatter than other Plexis. But not anymore, even though @2112 did a video just the other day. The gain structure and frequencies just don't please me that much, it's raspy. I'd choose Brit Brown, 1959SLP and 1987X over it any day.

An old favorite: Shiver Lead. Turn up gain and treble to get it to sound right, and it will rock. Totally holds its own when compared to the Euro Blue Modern (Ecstasy), which needs Presence bumped up and Bright Switch engaged to come alive. I used to own Bogner amps, and still love them, but they're picky and can be tough to dial in, depending on the cab. And that drives me away. Why choose a difficult amp when there are so many fantastic turn-key amp models available.

Finally, the Spawn Quickrod. Often overlooked. But fantastic when paired with the right cab, and so easy to dial in. If the Tucana doesn't work out for some reason, I'll probably go Spawn.
 
See this is why I LOVE reading your posts !

My crunch tone is also the Deluxe Reverb Vibrato. Drive at 9-10, and Bass turned down all the way. What an awesome tone. Works well with single coils as well as humbuckers.

You always give me a tip ( or two ) that I'd have NEVER thought of on my own !

THANKS !
 
Neat summary Yek! Thx for the rundown! I haven't used the III our rehearsal place yet so I'm going to try it out on Friday night and try a few different models with the cab and power amp modelling off into the half stack that is there. Should be interesting, might even be a bit frustating!

Sometimes you have to re-think what you think is should sound great.
 
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+1 on the Tucana. I have a Tucana 3 at home I use to rehearse, and use the Tucana 3 model for medium gain solos live, and the model does justice to the real thing.

Thanks for all that detail, Alex!
 
I have to agree the 1987x is dripping with spungy goodness. I like that it’s not raspy but in a live application I wonder how it would cut.
finally carved out some time to take a closer listen to the Tucana. At first I was a little put off by it because of the midrange, thats why it's probably a better amp for live situations than others. I have to say it’s a bit harsh on the ears whilst sitting directly in front of a speaker. At first I made an effort to dial out some of the mid range but was unable to do so without going to the EQ in the amp block. I wish I was playing out right now so as to check it out in a live situation because what I’ve found over time is that the amps I don’t like on there own I tend to really like in the mix with a drums bass etc.
I noticed that the two volumes seem to be quite interactive to eachother. I like the first gain higher than the second gain but when you turn the second gain up above 2 o’clock the low frequencies begin to mush a bit and while it’s a likable thing it begins to lack some low end attack.
 
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You could also try the Brit 800 indtead of the Brit Brown? It is also an amp that cuts surprisingly good in the band, better than expected when played alone.
 
I have a Tucana 3 at home

Whoa, good for you!

I read somewhere that Alan has stopped being a fulltime amp builder and now just builds a few selected models on demand.
 
so I'm going to try it out on Friday night and try a few different models with the cab and power amp modelling off into the half stack that is there. Should be interesting, might even be a bit frustating!

Just a warning: turning off Power Amp Modeling totally changes the game. It impacts the tone and gain of some amp models to a large extent.
 
Whoa, good for you!

I read somewhere that Alan has stopped being a fulltime amp builder and now just builds a few selected models on demand.
Sadly, it’s true. I talked with Alan via email and he told me that some of the issues associated with business these days forced the decision to step back a bit. That’s a sad thing for guitarists, because he builds an awesome sounding and innovative amplifier. Nice guy, too.
 
The Friedman BE V1 always hits the mark. But two things keep me away from it. First, it 's too generic, it misses some character of its own. I think that @2112 (Leon Todd) made a similar comment. Also, somehow I don't like this amp model for leads. The notes don't cut through as well as for example through the Tucana.

I use the Friedman Small Box model for my classic rock songs. This is my favorite Friedman model for medium gain sounds.
 
Just a warning: turning off Power Amp Modeling totally changes the game. It impacts the tone and gain of some amp models to a large extent.

For sure! Love the fact that it is so easy to navigate on the main screen for this! I actually tested the BE C45 model and it sounded killer through the return line of my BE-50 head and 212. It was very, very close at both low and higher volumes. I left the power amp modelling off for that.

Have to try the Carol Ann model that you suggested as well.

Will do lots of testing!
 
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Did a few gigs with the Tucana. While I love it for leads, its rhythm tone is "gritty" in the upper mids, which I find hard to get rid of.
So I switched to the Ecstasy, dialed it in carefully, and have it sounding truly awesome now.
That's the joy of being able to choose from so many models.

I also discovered Bogner carries a small Bogner Ecstasy 25 now, which I'm craving for.
 
Did a few gigs with the Tucana. While I love it for leads, its rhythm tone is "gritty" in the upper mids, which I find hard to get rid of.
So I switched to the Ecstasy, dialed it in carefully, and have it sounding truly awesome now.
That's the joy of being able to choose from so many models.

I also discovered Bogner carries a small Bogner Ecstasy 25 now, which I'm craving for.

Yes the XTC is one the best amp and model
I also have a XTC classic and the 25 is really a great little amp ;)
 
So I switched to the Ecstasy, dialed it in carefully, and have it sounding truly awesome now.
That's the joy of being able to choose from so many models.
are you using the same IR with the Ecstasy?
 
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