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Aliens.

Justincase

Experienced
We know quantum entanglement is real and some scientists believe this connection between particles to be around seven times faster than light. Some think it's instantaneous regardless of distance. So something definitely travels faster than light!
Yeah...product hype on the internet.
 

reclavea

Power User
Very interesting - thanks!

👍🏻....so it’s nothing to do with whether one likes the theory or not, but the history and the published writings has everything to do with a preferred cosmology and cosmogony thereby manipulating the data and conjuring up and inventing new physics to counter what empirical evidence is showing.

Take that 1887 MMX which was SOLEY responsible for Einstein to invent his 1905 STR and then subsequently his 1915 GTR....

That incredibly powerful experiment using interferometers (newly invented)....finds the Earth is not moving in space ...ie...through the aether. The experiment is using light, length and time.

The 36 trials conducted has a static Earth (not revolving around the sun). Einstein was just a toddler at that time.

So how does Einstein negate that experiment?

He invents NEW physics with his STR in 1905.

1. STR says material lengths can contract when in motion..ie...meaning ...the reason the experiment did not show the Earth is moving is because one of the interferometer apparatus arms “shortened” as a result of the Earth moving!

2. Time dilates....meaning the light in the experiment is not arriving at the expected time to show the earth is moving because time is dilating ...BECAUSE the Earth is moving!

3. Mass increases ....meaning because the apparatus arm is shrinking because the earth is moving, we have to increase the apparatus mass because where would it go as its shrinking?

So in essence what Einstein is saying is that the reason the experiment apparatus did not detect the Earth is moving ....IS BECAUSE THE EARTH IS MOVING! Lol

All those 3 things supposedly happens because the Earth is moving! Lol

Conclusion? We can’t detect the Earth is moving because it’s moving! 🤔😂

So how does one detect if something is in motion?
Einstein says you cannot as everything is relative and it’s between 2 “coordinate systems”.

Now realize that ...precisely because of an experiment performed in 1887 that proves the Earth is static and the center of the universe.....New physics was invented that is unquestionably accepted and APPLIES to the whole of the universe ....ie....Einstein’s Relativity and his field equations.

Einstein’s 1905 STR and his 1915 GTR would NOT EXIST .....if not for that notorious 1887 MMX experiment proving the Earth is motionless in space.

Wild
 
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GlennO

Fractal Fanatic
We know quantum entanglement is real and some scientists believe this connection between particles to be around seven times faster than light. Some think it's instantaneous regardless of distance. So something definitely travels faster than light!
Definitely? Not at all. A leading explanation is that all possible states of the entangled particles exist. When you observe the result, you are merely observing one of those states, and that state existed from the beginning of the entanglement, without any exchange or transmission of information thereafter.
 

NeoSound

Fractal Fanatic
Definitely? Not at all. A leading explanation is that all possible states of the entangled particles exist. When you observe the result, you are merely observing one of those states, and that state existed from the beginning of the entanglement, without any exchange or transmission of information thereafter.

Remove time from the equation and all do exist simultaneously, otherwise they are simply out of phase with the known state of another particle. Either way an exchange of information is happening beyond light speed. Maybe it's only our perception being altered and the particles state doesn't change? but then our perception would be surpassing light speed?
 

GlennO

Fractal Fanatic
All exist, even when considering time. That’s the whole point of the multiverse explanation. It eliminates the need for a faster than light transmission.

Reclavea is right that GTR allows for the possibility of super luminal transmission, but only in the presence of unfathomably powerful fields, fields that would almost certainly preclude the existence of a human observer.
 

reclavea

Power User
Reclavea is right that GTR allows for the possibility of super luminal transmission, but only in the presence of unfathomably powerful fields, fields that would almost certainly preclude the existence of a human observer.gg

It’s actually being observed with the heavens traversing across the sky everyday.

Also ....conjecture and notions including the multiverse falls into the philosophical realm as basically that’s what they are until the evidence reaches a certain threshold that merits acceptance as reasonable proof.

The multiverse came about as a consequence of observations with the universe parameters showing such fine tuning to be practically impossible by chance.

The problem with the multiverse is it’s convenience to explain those things.

It explains too much and can be used to explain anything and everything that implies a fine tuner.
 

NeoSound

Fractal Fanatic
All exist, even when considering time. That’s the whole point of the multiverse explanation. It eliminates the need for a faster than light transmission.

Reclavea is right that GTR allows for the possibility of super luminal transmission, but only in the presence of unfathomably powerful fields, fields that would almost certainly preclude the existence of a human observer.
It's certain that those fields exist, although I'm not sure we will ever prove their existence with the technology we have or hope to obtain someday. Then again, if we can imagine it :).
 

GlennO

Fractal Fanatic
Also ....conjecture and notions including the multiverse falls into the philosophical realm as basically that’s what they are until the evidence reaches a certain threshold that merits acceptance as reasonable proof.
Sure. That's why it's called an "explanation". At of today, it stands as the most likely explanation thus far proposed. The point is entanglement is not proof of super luminal information transmission.
 

GlennO

Fractal Fanatic
It’s actually being observed with the heavens traversing across the sky everyday.
You're talking about rim velocity of a distant object in a geocentric frame of reference? Wouldn't that only be an apparent paradox if you ignore time dilation?
 

reclavea

Power User
Sure. That's why it's called an "explanation". At of today, it stands as the most likely explanation thus far proposed. The point is entanglement is not proof of super luminal information transmission.

Most likely doesn’t cut the cake per se with something that is purely philosophical. There is totally no evidence whatsoever for the multiverse. As such any alternative explanation is on the same footing.

You're talking about rim velocity of a distant object in a geocentric frame of reference? Wouldn't that only be an apparent paradox if you ignore time dilation?

Same with time dilation, length contraction (Lorentz Transform) and mass increase ....

Invention by Einstein as a result of the devastating results of the 1887 MMX confirming the immobility of the Earth.

Take away Einstein’s 1905 STR & his 1915 GTR and the 1887 MMX is monumental with a paradigm shift totally rivaling the Copernican Revolution ...effectively overturning it.
 
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GlennO

Fractal Fanatic
reclavea said:
Most likely doesn’t cut the cake per se with something that is purely philosophical. There is totally no evidence whatsoever for the multiverse. As such any alternative explanation is on the same footing.
The issue is: "Is entanglement definitive proof of super luminal information transmission?". In the presence of other, equally plausible explanations, the answer is currently "no".

reclavea said:
Same with time dilation, length contraction (Lorentz Transform) and mass increase ....

Invention by Einstein as a result of the devastating results of the 1887 MMX confirming the immobility of the Earth.

Take away Einstein’s 1905 STR & his 1915 GTR and the 1887 MMX is monumental with a paradigm shift totally rivaling the Copernican Revolution ...effectively overturning it.
I'll take that as a "yes" to my question about time dilation :). I'm guessing you're not on board with the whole "round earth" thing either :).
 

OldSnail

Inspired
I don't know what is the most amazing. That things are flying in the US Navy playground or the absence of reaction of the US Navy...
 

USMC_Trev

Fractal Fanatic
I don't know what is the most amazing. That things are flying in the US Navy playground or the absence of reaction of the US Navy...
It's still international waters and airspace out there. Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ) and Warning Areas (aka "Whiskey Areas") provide limited legal meaning in international waters and airspace. You can't simply shoot at something that looks odd if it's not shooting at you. Simply maneuvering or even jamming does not meet the ROE for hostile intent, despite what Fravor said in that video that Jeremy Corbell (kook snake oil salesman in my opinion) beats on like a freking tambourine. Jamming or otherwise interfering with communications is an act of war only in the context of actual warfare. That is, warfare amongst definable belligerents in established conflict who understand the laws as established by our species and combined cultures. That goes for the airspace thing, too. Aliens, if any, probably aren't reading our aviation maps and studying our laws and treaties, nor are they signatories to such.
 

la noise

Power User
This thread has way too much math and science and not nearly enough
baseless conjecture about "Aliens" from half-drunk rednecks like me. :)

I even imagine ET visitation being like a redneck taking a joyride in some
unlicensed automobile and driving way too fast. What if what some people
see are just teenage "Aliens" out for a joyride--drinking and drugging illicitly?
What if they get in trouble when they pass back through whatever inter-dimensional
anomaly they used to "appear" here?

"yYou're grounded to the Andromeda Galaxy for the next 7 Millennia." ;)
 

TSJMajesty

Power User
This thread has way too much math and science and not nearly enough
baseless conjecture about "Aliens" from half-drunk rednecks like me. :)

I even imagine ET visitation being like a redneck taking a joyride in some
unlicensed automobile and driving way too fast. What if what some people
see are just teenage "Aliens" out for a joyride--drinking and drugging illicitly?
What if they get in trouble when they pass back through whatever inter-dimensional
anomaly they used to "appear" here?

"yYou're grounded to the Andromeda Galaxy for the next 7 Millennia." ;)
Yes, you can go look at your Earthling playmates. Just remember what I said: "No interfering unless they're about to launch nukes!"
 
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