R2R cracks Helix Native

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GotMetalBoy said:
Have you ever heard of google.com and concatenation? o_O
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You seem to know a lot about that, but the fact that you only get 3 results doing that search should give you something to think about.

B:ASSMASTER said:
I just typed "r2r helix native" in Google and hit search. Boom. First result was R2R's website with the file. Didn't click on it because I ain't getting malware!
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Same here, hmm... just 3 results and one is this page, no hunch?
 
I don't think any serious musician would base his live rig on cracked software!!?? As far as recording I doubt that any professional studio would use it either. So the people that wouldn't have bought it in the first place are the ones to download it?
 
ElectricPhase said:
Not exactly. I don't know what they're doing precisely, but if I had all the cash in the world to accomplish it, I'd offer money for exploits, and draw up an agreement that the exploit can't be published until after it has been patched or the money doesn't change hands.
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If I had all the cash in the world, I'd fix the holes in my software so I didn't have to pay off the competition or make bargains with people who routinely duck around corners. And they've fixed most of the known exploitable jailbreaking holes.


ElectricPhase said:
Just my opinion, but I think you're giving Apple way too much credit.
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Not at all. With smart phones of any kind, the real revenue lies in maintaining control over the phone. Jailbreaking removes control of the phone. Apple, Android...they've all taken steps to maintain their revenue stream by making it difficult or impossible to jailbreak.
 
B:ASSMASTER said:
That's unfortunate for Line6. They must've not had proper securities in place. I own Waves plugins and you have to jump through hoops to get it registered and working on your computer. Surely, there must be a way to keep hackers away?
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Too many hoops can scare people away too though. My brother is a gamer and just the mentioning of the word Ubisoft and its DRM is enough to have him frothing at the mouth shouting obscenities.

iaresee said:
It's all good and fine to have a discussion like this, but keep the links to cracked software off the forum. Keep it academic and we'll keep the thread open.

I do feel bad for Line6. Real people poured their heart and soul into bringing that plugin to the market; having it ripped off and redistributed like that is awful. You get a free, 15-day trial to check out Helix Native. Line6 couldn't have been more generous. There really is no excuse here if you use a cracked copy.
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Thing is though, it costs a lot of money. Now $400 may not be much to the average Fractal user who can easily afford a Fractal unit, but to most musicians it costs a lot. It took me years to save enough money to get my Axe FX. Now if this plugin would cost $50, maybe $60, or a monthly Spotify level of subscription fee then yes, I would be willing to pay that. $400? Bollocks to that, I'll get it if it turns up on the torrents, and if not, then not at all. If that makes me a bad person, so be it, then I'm bad. But I would rather be a bad person with some usable software then a good person with nothing. In life nice guys finish last.

Luckily I don't have to make that choice, as I don't want to use Native Helix, as I got a kickass Axe-FX.

Jason Scott said:
Line 6 wasn't under some delusion that Helix Native wouldn't be cracked. They knew it would. The trick is to offer a lot of value in frequently updated content, so much so that some pirates will have an incentive to ultimately buy the software.
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See my above answer. If it costs to much I'll wave the updated content and just stick with the pirated stuff. As something is still better then nothing.

NeoSound said:
I don't think any serious musician would base his live rig on cracked software!!?? As far as recording I doubt that any professional studio would use it either. So the people that wouldn't have bought it in the first place are the ones to download it?
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Exactly. Line6 would lose some sales, but not as much as all the detractors keep saying. Not every illegal download = one lost sale. This is one of the biggest gripes I have with the arguments of the anti-piracy people. They should really copy the Spotify subscription model. Which I think is both in the interest for their consumers as for the providers. If everyone buys the software, what money is there to be made in still coming up with updates once basically every possible consumer has bought the product? With subscription both makers and consumers will know that as long as people keep using it, there is money to be made in providing upgrades.
 
B:ASSMASTER said:
Are you saying that there is no R2R Helix Native download?
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What I believe is that this site is a fake and no one is doing it credit, otherwise the search results would be numerous, and not only 1 (the other 2 are this thread and an old thread 20 ene 2017).
So I keep thinking that this thread is based on a false premise, I hope its so, and Line6 can have a good business with this software.
 
I had a little play with the helix and helix vst a while back. It sounds and feels 2nd rate. Fractal absolutely slaughters the thing, and I wanted to like it.
 
lovejazz said:
What I believe is that this site is a fake and no one is doing it credit, otherwise the search results would be numerous, and not only 1 (the other 2 are this thread and an old thread 20 ene 2017).
So I keep thinking that this thread is based on a false premise, I hope its so, and Line6 can have a good business with this software.
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Lol you're incredible
It's available, search on torrents...
 
Personally I don't do enough home recording on a regular basis to justify a subscription model. I'd rather pay for a plug-in once. The important thing for me is to have a sufficient support statement from the provider on feature updates and bug fixes in relation to the price. I would consider 400 bucks too much for me so I stick with recording tracks using my AX8. I'm not doing a lot of re-amping anyways.

I tried to use cracked keys and hacks maybe 10 years ago for software that would cost about 10k$. Back then everything you downloaded from warez pages was full of trojans and viruses and most of the times didn't even provide the desired functionality. I don't think it's worth it using cracked software given the risk involved.
 
Muad'zin said:
See my above answer. If it costs to much I'll wave the updated content and just stick with the pirated stuff. As something is still better then nothing.
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A lot of pirates like staying up to date when good content has been added via updates. The goal isn't to sway every pirate. You won't and can't. However, if a company offers numerous updates with a lot of good solid content, it can be difficult for pirates to keep up, and it can also be a hassle for those individuals when a cracked version hasn't been released yet, doesn't work or includes major bugs. Some people may ultimately feel it's more trouble than it's worth and simply fork over the cash for the sake of convenience. There will always be people who have no intention of ever paying, though.
 
Won't even go looking for that. The Axe Fx II works like a charm with Cubase, it's more than enough for me and prevents me from spending more time on the keyboard than on the fretboard. And writing that I admit that I don't yet spend enough time on the fretboard.
 
I download the keygens to the software I buy just in case the companies ever go under or have a PITA process to re-activate the software I paid for. The reason I was introduced to keygens was almost 15 years ago Sony bought Sonic Foundry and I had paid for Sound Forge, Acid and some FX Bundles and my Windows 98 SE PC crashed. After re-installing everything I couldn't activate my Sonic Foundry software and I had a Waves Gold Bundle Printer Port dongle that wouldn't authorize either. I couldn't get a hold of anyone from Sonic Foundry and Waves was such a hassle to get re-authorized. I was complaining to someone about the issues I was having and because they knew I had paid for the software gave me keygens for Sonic Foundry and a cracked version of Waves Gold Bundle that didn't have Pace.

I've used pirated software to make sure it was worth paying for. I wouldn't have ever bought any of Toontrack's Superiour Drummer 2 SDX drumkits or XLN Audio's Addictive Drums 2 drumkits without trying them out because the YouTube video advertisements hype everything and don't give you any real idea of how things work in the real world. I've also used pirated software of older versions because I don't like some of the newer versions. I still prefer Guitar Pro 5 over 6 because it exports MIDI better but they wouldn't sell me v5 once v6 was released, so I was left with no choice.
 
ElectricPhase said:
All software gets cracked if there's sufficient incentive. Heck, China copies and sells all kinds of intellectual property without consequences across the board. Apple has finally ended jailbreaking because they have enough cash to buy off all of the hackers.

If I wanted to use Helix native, I'd buy it....but I'm not going to get all that hot under the collar about humans being human.
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Rex said:
Are you saying that Apple identified every player in the jailbreaking game, gave each one money, and got each one to pinky-swear that they won't ever again try to hack their software? :p

Apple hamstrung the jailbreak community by aggressively rolling out updates that fixed the vulnerabilities that the jailbreakers were exploiting.
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As someone who does some app development, I can tell you that piracy is plentiful in the Apple world and rampant to the point of shocking in the Android world. We chose not to implement countermeasures because those are still temporary, and they didn't seem to serve a real business goal for us.

I suspect that L6 also elected to do fairly minimal anti-piracy work, given that the crack appeared fairly quickly.
 
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