Geezerjohn
Fractal Fanatic
Delay before reverb for me.
I've always been delay > reverb, the reason being that reverb is "sort of supposed" to emulate the actual sound you would hear in a real-world room, cave or whatever.
that's correct. in the real world the room ambience would pick up the amp with the delay last and each delay trail would produce its own room reverberation.Learned a lot here. Question, which models the real live world best? If you don't use a reverb unit in a live venue, then the guitar goes into a delay then into the amp and then the reverb that is picked up comes from reflections of the the room coming back to the mic, correct? I'm assuming only one mic on the amp (certainly you could have another one to pick up reflections in a different spot). But in a simple case the mic is going to pick pick up the main signal with delay first, no? And the reverb "second" so to speak, but not perfectly? So series seems to be more "real world." I have no idea, just wondering which model the real world more - series or parallel?
If either of them is doing something nonlinear (e.g., tape saturation on a real or modeled delay, overdriving either, etc.), then the order matters. As far as just the delay effect or the reverb effect itself, no, it doesn't really matter.Mind officially blown!
So let me see if I understand the concept here…if I run a cab before time effects (delay, reverb) or after it in series will not make any difference in the resultant sound. Also running delay into reverb or reverb into delay in series also doesn’t make a difference in the sound. Is this correct? This goes against everything I have ever experienced in the studio.
Took you ten years to reply though...With the block swap / drag drop in axe edit it takes about 2 seconds to try for yourself. Thread complete.
I’m old so it took me that long to type the responseTook you ten years to reply though...
I think it's good to ask more experienced people to learn about potential pros and cons.
I would not even think of putting a reverb before a delay -- that's just weird to me. I'm sure I saw it first in Fractal presets, almost seemingly becoming a trend to put reverb first. Or who knows, maybe I also saw it in the GSP-2101 or G-Force.Also running delay into reverb or reverb into delay in series also doesn’t make a difference in the sound. Is this correct? This goes against everything I have ever experienced in the studio.
It isn't about Fractal code, it is about the way sound works.I would not even think of putting a reverb before a delay -- that's just weird to me. I'm sure I saw it first in Fractal presets, almost seemingly becoming a trend to put reverb first. Or who knows, maybe I also saw it in the GSP-2101 or G-Force.
If it doesn't make a difference, something is wrong with the whole system, IMO — or at least, I will never understand why it's not different (I do understand the linear argument for some other use cases).
Anyway, in a Fractal it indeed does not sound weird. Maybe it depends on the levels and types of reverb... That it's the same would be either hard to believe for me, or just plain wrong LOL
Rereading the whole thread, I find it weird that people find Cliff's explanation cool. Nothing personal, but doesn't the way the code work rob us of a creative decision?
AFAIK, a reverb is a series of many delays. So how should a 3-tap delay going into a 50-tap (wild guess for reverb) be the same as doing it the other way around? Hard to believe this would be the same with analog devices, and thus equally hard to find it cool how it currently works...
OTOH, no biggie, as I'm more in the parallel camp anyway.