Yes! I am very interested to know if anyone has done a Tone Match of a Bass amp in the Axe FxIII. My thinking is that, once there is a SS Bass Amp model, Presence and Depth controls would be available. Then, a Tone Match could used to get that last bit of defining SS Bass amp character. Or even, to reduce the level of SS power amp character. Meanwhile, for the FM3 and FM9 user, it is still possible to dial-in variations of character. That of course is great for finding a personal tonal character, or slipping more easily from one shade of amp character to another. But, it is a serious project to dial-in and match the tone of a different amp exactly.Oh, we're talking about bass amps here; I digressed above. After doing some listening to an Eden bass amp model in Bias, and playing with the deep parameters a bit, I am curious if you could recreate such an amp when set up the way you want in the following way:
Input > Comp > IR of the frequency response of the amp > Cab
Maybe I haven't studied the designs deeply enough, but it appears the big secret in many bass amps is very specific EQ, in some cases complicated. And the human ear is very sensitive to EQ differences. If you had an amp set up the way you liked to hear it (without a cab preferably), and shot an IR of it, that might get you most of the way there. You could then add a cab to taste after that.
One more reason a separate IR block in the FM3 would be nice.
Get the line 6 thenRight but literally none of those sound anything like the amps I'm talking about. A single markbass, aguilar or bergantino SS amp would really solve all the issue. i'm not a rock player so most of those amps don't work for me. I tried using the tube pre and it just didn't work at all for me. The JC120 actually works way better for my music than any of those.
I am sure this is true in real life. However, it is not for the Jazz 120 model. It now has working Presence and Depth controls. Now, that may be something different then it appears to be. But, it sounds right to me. Since the Jazz 120 is a model and not an actual amp all the speaker parameters are fully operational. It should be noted that the Jazz 120's speaker Impedance curve is very very not flat. I would really appreciate if you would test out the Jazz 120 (JC120) Bass patch I put together and give me your critical thoughts. The wonderful thing about an amp model is that many features of the sound can be dialed in separately. It is very different from real life analog amps. There are so many compromises that have to be made in an analog amp design. In a model many aspects can be adjusted discretely while in an analog amp the same adjustment would be very interrelated and have many side effects.no effect on the clipping behavior of a solid state design, just as known by tube guitar amplifiers. The internal output resistance of a solid state bass amp is so low, so the ratio between load resistance and internal resistance also known as damping factor is much higher as known by tube amps, so speaker resonance and the rise of impedance on higher frequencies from the voice coil will have no influence...... the preamp circuit on countless modern bass amps is different to guitar tube amps in various ways..... a buffer/input gain stage is followed by a compressor/peak limiter and a tube gain circuit to add more warmth and clipping, then either an active graphic or parametric EQ with different frequency bands than known from guitar amps ..... I would say we have much of these components in the axefx as individual blocks - plus we can limit the influence of the speaker load to the clipping behavior of a power amp to mimic the behavior of a modern bass amp plus load in some bass cabinet IRs and add much "Air" to simulate the horn/piezo driver.......
@MKB99, try the last one the first, Double Verb SS-ified. That is the best.Postretro, thanks for all the models, I hope to try those out as soon as I get an hour or so to focus on it (pesky day jobs and consulting, really cuts into play time...)
I just DI my bass into the FM3... not sure what "amp tone" one oculd want with a bass..... there are great studio compressors in the FM3, as well as eq, multiband compressors, etc. Oh wellIf you like the FM3 just get a different solution for bass. No need to sell an amazing guitar processor in order to have an ampless bass DI. Sansamp is one such tried and true solution for bass.
sansamp is a very poor solution compared to a modeler for what I'm doingIf you like the FM3 just get a different solution for bass. No need to sell an amazing guitar processor in order to have an ampless bass DI. Sansamp is one such tried and true solution for bass.
I'm aware that there is a gap between the real life and the AxeFx. But that is not the point. The JC120 is just a digital model that fits into the parameter feature-set of the AxeFx amp block. To solve this issue, there are two ways..... first: use a dedicated bass amp block or build your own "bass amp" by using pre filter, compressor, tube booster, EQ and the console parameter in the cabinets block to mimic a modern bass amplifier preamp topology......I am sure this is true in real life. However, it is not for the Jazz 120 model. It now has working Presence and Depth controls. Now, that may be something different then it appears to be. But, it sounds right to me. Since the Jazz 120 is a model and not an actual amp all the speaker parameters are fully operational. It should be noted that the Jazz 120's speaker Impedance curve is very very not flat. I would really appreciate if you would test out the Jazz 120 (JC120) Bass patch I put together and give me your critical thoughts. The wonderful thing about an amp model is that many features of the sound can be dialed in separately. It is very different from real life analog amps. There are so many compromises that have to be made in an analog amp design. In a model many aspects can be adjusted discretely while in an analog amp the same adjustment would be very interrelated and have many side effects.
There are also very detailed notes about which parameters were adjusted in a text file.
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/parameter-mods-ss-jazz-bass-jazz-120.183546/#post-2257530
I would really appreciate your ears and opinions. I wish I could get @Will Chen to critically listen to it too.
Yup. Exactly. Nuff said.I'm aware that there is a gap between the real life and the AxeFx. But that is not the point. The JC120 is just a digital model that fits into the parameter feature-set of the AxeFx amp block. To solve this issue, there are two ways..... first: use a dedicated bass amp block or build your own "bass amp" by using pre filter, compressor, tube booster, EQ and the console parameter in the cabinets block to mimic a modern bass amplifier preamp topology......
I'm aware that there is a gap between the real life and the AxeFx. But that is not the point. The JC120 is just a digital model that fits into the parameter feature-set of the AxeFx amp block. To solve this issue, there are two ways..... first: use a dedicated bass amp block or build your own "bass amp" by using pre filter, compressor, tube booster, EQ and the console parameter in the cabinets block to mimic a modern bass amplifier preamp topology......
Unfortunately, we don’t right now, and may not for sometime. Therefor, in order to actually solve your problem, you will either have to get creative with the current limitations, or switch to a different tool that more easily and directly addresses your needs. Only you can decide which path makes more sense.or we could just have 1 or 2 dedicated solid state bass amps added to the hundreds of tube amps already available.
which is what we're doing in this and other threads...Unfortunately, we don’t right now, and may not for sometime. Therefor, in order to actually solve your problem, you will either have to get creative with the current limitations, or switch to a different tool that more easily and directly addresses your needs. Only you can decide which path makes more sense.