Which sound console ?

Which sound bord do you like best


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The initial batch of x32 boards had fan issues. That has since been resolved people say.

They are taking a while with their new x32 products to make sure they are sold for market.

Management did change recently at Behringer, but it is indeed the same company.

The x32 is a new direction for Behringer and so far has been solid for most.
 
I remain leery of Behringer as a pro product, but hey - if Queensrÿche can put out a great product after so many years of duds, maybe Behringer can too :)

The mixer certainly looks nice, as does the headphone distribution system.
 
Interesting input from all that have participated so far. I did look take a look the Behringer vid and listened to the story behind the console. The face that they bought Midas and their manufacturing practices is worth a second look and as long as they don't change the way they do things it sounds like it might turn out to be a really good board. From their price point again only time will tell if it can withstand the riggers of the road and the on slot of wanna be slider jockeys. The PreSonus board sounds like it's provin it's self for the most part, It may not be as feature laden as the X32 but it has proven it's self.

I initially didn't even think to consider Behringer in the pole because 1, I just didn't know it was out there 2, I didn't really consider Behringer to even be comparable to the other two consoles.
 
I guess their aren't many guitar players here that double as sound techs that like these boards.

True :)

I'm not a sound tech, I was working asa console maintenance and repair at an international pro rental company (Clair Bros.) back the days.
Regarding the examples above: It depends what you need....
Check ease of use (most important thing!!!), CPU consumption under full operation (it's not funny if the system goes low cause of a weak CPU) and how the head amps sounds when pushing them hard.

Cheers
Paco
 
I HATE Berries. Their amps, boards, everything.

I haven't done live sound myself in years, but played 'Camp and Jam up in Perth, NY on Saturday, and the dude had the Presonus, and it sounded OUTSTANDING on stage, and in the audience. He would hang out in front, walk all over the sides, twddling with an ipad, making adjustments remotely. Was the best sound I've EVER had on stage, actually, and for the size of the PA, it was great out in the audience.
 
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So, If Behringer bought 16.4.2 from Presonus and the label said Berhinger on it from now on, would you hate it?
 
That wouldn't Happen. B would First overrule the tech Department of presonus and change the HQ-Parts against cheaper Parts and then put the B-Label on it, including a Sticker with "presonus Technology" inside...

....just joking....or maybe Not?
 
So, If Behringer bought 16.4.2 from Presonus and the label said Berhinger on it from now on, would you hate it?

I dunno, if my Epiphone WildKat was relabled 'Gibson', it's be worth 1500 easy. I only know that I have hated every Berry I've ever touched - and that they've been sued over and over for ripping off other companies. I even have a Berry 'Twin' style amp with modeled distortion - which isn't too terrible - until you try a nice open, honest clean tone, and then it blows so friggin' bad it's literally unplayable.

Doesn't mean they can't put out a good product (or that Gibson, Fender, Martin et. al. can't put out pieces of crap - god knows they all have), but based on past experience, I try to avoid 'em (Berhinger). If the Presonus is/were a relabled Berry, I'd still like it - damn thing sounded great, had great flexibility at the board, and nifty remote control.
 
Years ago, B advertised the 8bus Console with the following Features:neutrik connectors, Panasonic op Amps and Brand faderes (Sorry, forgot the Brand, but i think it was Alps)
By Opening the Board technicians only found cheaper neutrik lookalikes, op Amps with Panasonic-like tech specs and nö-Brand faderes...the whole Board was a Fake.
In it's Price Range, i can't Imagine that B is using genuine HQ Parts like the competition in the Price Range above (insert your Fave Brand here :)
But that's just my 2c...

BTW ...i don't know where Presonus get's their Parts from, but the Sonic quality of this Mixer is impressive. And the design is Not a Stolen One (like almost anything B ever produced)

I just can't stand lookalikes and wannabees...
 
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So, Mackie fell of their Throne and Lost Tons of Reputation when they started to Outsourcing to China . Why shouldn't happen the Same in Reverse with B? There's always a warm welcome for improvement....
 
I don't know what vintage yours is, but the early Squiers were BETTER than the same vintage American Strats. They were simply amazing for the money, as many Epiphones are right now. Take an Epiphone Dot, swap the pups, you've got a 335 for almost nothing. And I love my stock epi SG. Lots of good 'off brand' and 'off model' stuff out there.
I just love my Squier . still a Fender.
 
So, Mackie fell of their Throne and Lost Tons of Reputation when they started to Outsourcing to China . Why shouldn't happen the Same in Reverse with B? There's always a warm welcome for improvement....

Possible, but you lie to people for years, they tend to remember. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
 
I have the little Presonus and have seen and heard many venues and festivals using the 16 and 24 channel versions. I think they sound really good and are relatively easy to use. The Soundcraft I've seen, but don't know much about. The Behringer I've seen and heard but not used. I did hear someone who I'd tend to trust tell me that the failure rate on the Behringers was ridiculously low, something like 1/100 of a percent. That is completely unBehringer-like. Almost any Behringer product I'd ever bought in the past was purchased with the knowledge that it would fail and was just a cheap widget. I think buying Midas and Klark-Telnik was a turning point for this product line at least. My sense is that it's ridiculous value for the $ and if I needed 3k of mixer, I'd get the Behringer. It's ridiculously loaded with features.

OTOH, the new Presonus highend mixer with built-in wifi looks really cool and has WAY more processing power than the older boards. We're spoiled for choice right now. Before this generation of digital boards, you probably would've had to spend 10k or more to get what the higher end Presonus or Behringer boards will do for 3k.
 
Flying faders....that's an Argument for Recording.....if you Don't do Automation in the Box ....

Dear funkstation,

In the live world flying faders and recallable mic preamps are vital, as they allow instant and full recall.
In a situation where you have multiple bands on the same bill, each engineer can have a USB stick or an internal memory slot on the X32 and instantly load the entire mix.

Best Regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
Dear Guys,

In the spirit of providing a service to this community I wanted to clear up a few misconceptions about the X32 and our company in general that have been discussed on this forum.

The X32 is a very modern platform that has been engineered around the best and latest components. We’re using some of the best Analog Device DSP’s and Cirrus Logic AD/DA converters as well as Mabuchi motors which you also find in Penny & Giles faders.

We Build Our Products in Our Own Factory
The X32 is made by us, in our factory, using parts that we purchase directly from the component manufacturers. Now the difference between building it ourselves and having it made by a third party contract manufacturer may seem trivial to some, but let me assure you that the reality is much different. When we build a product we control quality and we control cost; and those two factors constitute real, tangible value.

I cannot speak for any of our competitors but somehow I think they would all like to enjoy the benefits of manufacturing their own products. When we build an X32 we put it through hundreds of tests before it ships. We test the parts as they come in the door, we test the subassemblies, we test the assembled units and we keep meticulous logs of every circuit board and how it fared through testing. We would never consider putting such critical tests in the hands of others, no matter who the contract manufacturer may be.

3-Year Warranty Program
When you purchase and register your X32 (or any other BEHRINGER product) you participate in a full 3-Year Warranty Program and we will stand behind you and your X32. Not only are we here to support you in the event of an issue, but as you can see our Care and Product Specialist teams have been proactively engaging users on forums, Facebook, Twitter and everywhere else that you communicate, to make your experience truly exceptional.

We Have Invested in CARE Centers in the US and UK
We have invested in two highly sophisticated CARE centers in Las Vegas and Kidderminster, UK which serve as service centers and spare part depots. If you find time, we would like to invite you and we will be more than happy to show you around our facilities. We have learned from our previous experiences and made Service and Spare Parts a core focus. While we are not perfect, I hope you have seen over the past months that we have made great progress and we are determined to offer the very best customer support in the industry. Check out more details on our CARE centers here:
MUSIC Group Aims for Best in Class CARE Operations - Behringer News

Why Some “Defects” are Not Defects
With the X32 we put unprecedented value and functionality into the hands of customers which often come from the analog world. While the mixer has a very intuitive workflow and quick learning curve, it is expected that there is some learning required, especially as we offer the functionality of high-end digital consoles for a fraction of our competitors’ prices. As a consequence, we sometimes receive defect reports that are traced to user errors and simple misunderstandings, while the console is in perfect condition. Upon explanation, the issue is quickly resolved, but in reality the unit was never defective.

We have also received a few consoles where customers complain about defective faders or broken pot knobs. On inspection we have found liquid that was spilled into the faders, broken encoders where the shafts have been sheared off and other damage that is clearly caused by improper handling, impact and that age-old issue of spilled drinks in the bar. Of course such defects are not caused by us as a manufacturer.

How Do We Test Our Products?
This brings us to the central element here – how do we test the units at the factory to ensure they leave in perfect condition? Coincidentally, we have been working on a video that follows the whole manufacturing process behind the X32 so that users can see how their consoles are made. It is fascinating to watch the whole process, as this is the most advanced and thoroughly-tested product we have ever made under the BEHRINGER brand.

Not surprisingly, the very same manufacturing equipment, processes and quality assurance methods as used on MIDAS products are also applied to the X32. In fact some of our most senior MIDAS UK engineers have relocated to our factory in order to best supervise the build and test processes not only of MIDAS consoles but the X32 as well. The team doesn’t get much more experienced or capable than this and I am extremely proud of their work. I have posted a clip from the QA process here:
X32 Production Testing - YouTube

What you don’t see in this video is the work that takes place before final assembly testing. Each component that goes into an X32 is tested; not just samples, but each and every component. Sub-assemblies are tested through In-Circuit Testers and the results measured, with only those that pass all tests finding their way into the console.

We invest several hours in the testing of every X32 long before it gets to the stage shown in the video clip. But even at that point we invest the time to check every input, every output, every control and every switch. We measure noise, THD, frequency response and every other parameter supported by our highly sophisticated Audio Precision test stations.

Why Testing is Much More Economic Than Repair
It is critical to understand that anything is less costly than returning a unit for repair. Returning, repairing or exchanging a unit is ALWAYS more expensive than avoiding problems from the start.
It is common knowledge in manufacturing that the higher your production volume gets, the more the risk increases as one single component defect can cause tremendous damage. You see this in the car industry where recalls often affect millions of cars.

It is also a myth to believe that alleged usage of sub-par components and skipping of testing would be a cost saving. In fact it is exactly the opposite.
Any defect in the field is more expensive than preventing it from the start and hence our huge investment in people, high-end production equipment and quality control.

Why the X32 Has Become the Most Successful Digital Console on the Market
We brought the X32 to market at a price that is not only attractive to users, but a real threat to competitors. We are able to set this price because of our extreme vertical integration, the fact we buy parts for, in some cases, over 70% less than our competitors and the fact that we own the factory and don’t pay profits to contract manufacturers. So, how much would the X32 have cost if it were made by another brand – perhaps $10,000?

We believe the X32 brings massive value to the end user/consumer. The X32 product range has grown to an entire audio ecosystem of expanding and interchangeable products including X32, X32 Compact, X32 Producer, X32 Rack, X32 Core, S16 and P16. All products work together seamlessly via AES50 and ULTRANET using standard CAT5 wire.

When we launched the X32 we made a commitment to evolve the platform with software, feature and hardware enhancements. We also made a commitment to offer software updates and new features at no cost to existing owners of X32. In the 12 months since launch this commitment has seen us launch several new software applications such as the full-featured X32-Mix for iPad, X32-Q for iPhone and iPod Touch and X32-Edit for PC, Mac and Linux. There many more enhancements coming, and with the X32’s processing power and internal architecture you’ll see that this is an ever-evolving product.

Thank You.
At the NAMM 2013 show where we were humbled once again with recognition from the industry for our many new products and especially the X32.

Among the many accolades we were awarded the coveted*Reader’s Choice Award by ProSoundWeb.com, recognized as a finalist for a TEC Award and even received the “Best in Show” Award from Pro Sound News and Pro Audio Review for the new X32 Series. At the ProSound + Sound show were were awarded the prestigious MIPA award for the X32 in the Best Live Mixing Board category.
X32 Wins Prestigious MIPA Award! - Behringer News
What we are most proud of however is the many, many stories we heard from dealers and users of how much they love the X32.

We feel that the X32 is the ultimate expression of the very principle on which Uli Behringer founded our company 24 years ago; to deliver the very best product at the lowest possible cost.
In our Company we have a lot of respect for the engineers and product specialists that create products for all our MUSIC Group brands. Ours is camaraderie of like-minded people who alternate places with the hot product of the day and generally admire each other’s work even as we compete in the marketplace. I appreciate that each brand and product model can have a following, and people can see the benefits of those products as they fit their own particular application.

The X32 is already shaking the industry to its core within the shortest period of time, the X32 has become the best-selling digital console in the industry; and the trend is even going upwards.

Most important, rest assured that when you buy an X32 we will ensure that it becomes a great experience and we will stand behind you. Always.

Best Regards,
Joe Sanborn
Manager, Product Support
MUSIC Group
BEHRINGER
 
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