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    Me gusta.

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    Wow - that's awesome. Javier is a great player - figured he was, but hadn't seen him solo before. More of that!

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    That was great.

    Lovin the song and the tone.

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    Very cool! A new exploration for 8 string guitars.

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    Very tasteful playing! :-)

    Not having much experience myself with eight stringed guitars, I'm attracted to the huge note range but I'm a bit annoyed with the clunky tone you seem to get from the lower tuned strings. Does anyone know what causes that tone coloring? Is it because the strings are so thick related to their length? Can one get rid of the issue in some way? Would a longer neck help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Per Boysen View Post
    Very tasteful playing! :-)

    Not having much experience myself with eight stringed guitars, I'm attracted to the huge note range but I'm a bit annoyed with the clunky tone you seem to get from the lower tuned strings. Does anyone know what causes that tone coloring? Is it because the strings are so thick related to their length? Can one get rid of the issue in some way? Would a longer neck help?
    agreed on the playing. i also agree on the slightly clunky tone. i think the trick is to use thinner strings and a longer scale length. fanned frets seems to be one solution. i actually haven't heard an 8 string clean tone that i like, yet...

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    what are the tuning notes of each open string of that 8-string?

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    Beautiful piece, beautifully put together, beautifully played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Per Boysen View Post
    ...I'm a bit annoyed with the clunky tone you seem to get from the lower tuned strings. Does anyone know what causes that tone coloring? Is it because the strings are so thick related to their length? Can one get rid of the issue in some way? Would a longer neck help?
    Yes, a longer neck would definitely help. That's why there are basses.

    To get a note that low on a guitar-scale neck, you have to have very low tension on the string, and that's going to make the string flop around more when you play it.

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    That is just great-Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodzimguitar68 View Post
    what are the tuning notes of each open string of that 8-string?

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    I think typically 8 strings are standard with the 7th - B and 8th F# for the conventional 4th interval tuning (except for G(3rd string) - B(2nd string))...

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    Quote Originally Posted by simeon View Post
    agreed on the playing. i also agree on the slightly clunky tone. i think the trick is to use thinner strings and a longer scale length. fanned frets seems to be one solution. i actually haven't heard an 8 string clean tone that i like, yet...
    I have a few Baritones (3 acoustic, one electric), and for clean tones: and my opinion is that 27 inch with standard "Baritone" strings is not as good as 29 inch with lighter ones. Also, 29 inch necks can work with a baritone set a lot better than 27 inch

    Having said all that, I have a different suggestion here: those bass strings sounded like when I plugged my active bass into the AxeFx2 into my normal favourite clean patch
    How about, to play an 8 string clean in this style of playing, we run a separate pickup for the bottom 2 or 3 strings, roll off the treble on guitar for those strings, and ideally run that to a separate input on the AF2, setup for a bass guitar sound?
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone Control View Post
    How about, to play an 8 string clean in this style of playing, we run a separate pickup for the bottom 2 or 3 strings, roll off the treble on guitar for those strings, and ideally run that to a separate input on the AF2, setup for a bass guitar sound?
    That's a great idea! I've seen that in eight- and twelve stringed instruments by Stick Enterprises, but not for ordinary guitars. I have two Sticks myself and must say that having separate pickups for two groups of six strings each is exceptionally powerful for both plain amplification and effect treatment of your sound.
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    he had a more rounded tone in this Javier Reyes of Animals as Leaders - YouTube
    A bit of youtube crackling though. My point is, it looks like you can tune some roundness into the bass, and I assume the AF2 could do that too

    It's making me think of getting an 8 string
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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    As an easier idea
    How about using tapewound strings for the bottom 2-3 strings?
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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    Does anyone know - are the EMG X pickups really worth the extra compared to the normal EMGs?
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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    Absolutely beautiful!

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    Impressed with the video I have bought an 8 string. I'll try it with the AF2 too
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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    Because of this video, I bought an 8 string, but when I use it with my AF2, I don't sound anything like as good as Javier in this video. Maybe there's something wrong with the guitar ;-)

    Seriously, It's very interesting to play, but I've tuned the bottom 2 strings to G, B rather than F#, B, since I have no intention of using power chords down there, and to me the G works better with the way my brain is already wired up
    I thought the neck might be too wide, but found the string spacing quite narrow. I can still use my thumb on the bottom string.
    Great fun if you like to fingerpick your electric sometimes. 8 Strings go quite cheap used since most people are scared of them. Also, the more metally amongst us tend to dislike the EMG 808s found on most good 8 strings, but they are excellent into the AF2, so you can get a bargain.
    I mostly play strats. I like semis too. Just got an 8 string. I use nice real amps. I play acoustics, including a Tenor, a Contrabass, and baritones. I like the way different tunings and scale lengths change my playing
    I usually play clean to slightly saturated, subtle ODs (Klon, Honey bee, Zendrive). I like reggae, Jazz, Rock, African, Blues, Ambient. My unattainable aspiration is to record like Michael Brook and Bill Laswell, and play like Jeff Beck, Dave Gilmour or John Mayer

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