Simple tonematch question

[Guitarjon]

Hi there!

I'm new here.
I just ordered an Axe Fx II mkII last week, it will come in the mail this week and I am really excited because I've wanted to own an Axe Fx for a long time now.
I've been doing a lot of reading and watching youtube tutorials etc.
There is a lot of info to take in, but I like the fact that there are endless possibilities for great tone.
I'm very impressed with the demo's I've heard so far.

Anyway, I was a little bit familiar with tone matching and I knew it was possible to create IR'rs via tonematch.
Today I spoke to Yek, who I know personally and he told me it was also possible to match actual amp tones as opposed to just the cab!!!
This was a very pleasant surprise as you can imagine!
I watched some cool videos on this subject but there is one thing that is still a little bit unclear.

If I have an isolated guitar part from say, Metallica, can I then tonematch the entire sound heard on the recording or is it only possible to tonematch the speaker if the source is a recording?
I really like the guitar tones from songs like Ain't My Bitch or Bad Seed so it would be wonderful if I could match those tones, amp and all!
If this is possible I would also love to tonematch some deftones sounds preferably from White Pony or the self titled album.
I just don't know if there are any isolated parts on those albums, hope so!

Anyway it's good to be here.
I am looking forward to the future with my Axe Fx and sharing stuff here!

[willowdale]

You will have to TM the isolated guitar part to an amp inside the Axe Fx that is similar to the amp used on the recording.

You will have to first tweak the chosen amp to sound as close to the recording as possible, then the TM block will EQ match the amp to the recorded clip.

You are essentially creating an EQ matched cab.

[Guitarjon]

You will have to TM the isolated guitar part to an amp inside the Axe Fx that is similar to the amp used on the recording.

You will have to first tweak the chosen amp to sound as close to the recording as possible, then the TM block will EQ match the amp to the recorded clip.

You are essentially creating an EQ matched cab.

Ok, so I won't be able to model the amp distortion when there is a cab sound over it?
I would have to create a separate IR and a Tonematch from an amp I own.

[yek]

Hi Jon,

When you're tonematching a recording, you're still making use of an amp model within the Axe-Fx, one of the more than 100 models available in the Axe-Fx. That's different from EQ-matching. Great thing about this method is that you can adjust tone controls, amp gain etc. later on.

When you're tonematching a recording, you're actually matching the entire recorded tone, which is amp + speaker + mic.
It is possible though, to separate amp and speaker. For this to work you need to have an IR of the speaker+mic, used on the recording, or one that sounds close to it. With the multitude of IRs available in the Axe-Fx (factory cabs), and on the Net (Red Wire, OwnHammer, Kalthallen etc.), it should be possible to find you. If you use that IR during tonematching, the resulting tonematch will be the amp on its own. And that's handy if you want to combine the amp with other speakers (IRs).

It's explained in the mini manual:
http://www.fractalaudio.com/download...tch-Manual.pdf