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    Since FW13 I'm digging the 1987x over the Plexi 100 amp model

    The 1987x before the most recent firmwares was extremely harsh IMO. I couldn't get a good sound.

    Last night I was just going through all the vintage plexi amp types and comparing and was shocked at the 1987x. especially when you consider it a regular production run marshall. I think I feel it to have far more character and attitude then the vintage plexi amps in the axe fx, and for pure classic rock sound, I may replace all my rock patches with this amp.

    1987x Rocking with Strat

    http://www.tylergrund.com/mp3/1987x_g12m.mp3

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    RAWK!! Yeah, these Vintage Marshall's are sounding 10x better.
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    I agree.

    Which CAB did you use?
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    Quote Originally Posted by electronpirate View Post
    I agree.

    Which CAB did you use?
    Redwirez cabs:

    • G12M R121 Cone 1"
    • G12M SM57 CapEdge Off Axis 0"

    Still waiting to see if Redwirez can produce UltraRes™ versions of his cabs. i really only use Redwirez and a few stock cabs for my stuff.
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    The 1987x doesn't have the 0.68uF cap on the last triode. Gives it a smoother distortion.
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    Cliff,

    Is having a setting to add, remove or adjust this cap (or others in other amps) something that you could easily do? Just curious. I remember the bright cap being able to be "cut" by turning it down.

    Thanks,

    Roger

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    The 1987x doesn't have the 0.68uF cap on the last triode. Gives it a smoother distortion.
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    Thats interesting. In my personal Marshall builds, I've always liked that .68uf cap for a boost in the mids and gain... especially with strats.


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    The 1987x doesn't have the 0.68uF cap on the last triode. Gives it a smoother distortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtcook View Post
    Cliff,

    Is having a setting to add, remove or adjust this cap (or others in other amps) something that you could easily do? Just curious. I remember the bright cap being able to be "cut" by turning it down.

    Thanks,

    Roger
    It's possible. In the model there are triode stages. You can set the Miller capacitance, plate impedance, cathode impedance, etc. Exposing those parameters would be possible but 99% of the users wouldn't understand the values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FractalAudio View Post
    It's possible. In the model there are triode stages. You can set the Miller capacitance, plate impedance, cathode impedance, etc. Exposing those parameters would be possible but 99% of the users wouldn't understand the values.
    I remember you were studying an interface/software to allow user to built their amps. It could be a nice addiction to your product, even more interesting with XL, where you could add some slots for user amps.

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    Sorry Gamedojo for the OT! Great tones there!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilzo View Post
    Sorry Gamedojo for the OT! Great tones there!!!
    No no! don't worry. i was an amp builder before moving to the Axe Fx. So i'd love a discussion about further opening the parameters up in the advanced side of things. The tone is in the preamp and having that controllable might really make for some interesting scenarios.
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    How about just a drop down for fixed values? .068, .022 or none for example.

    Roger


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    It's possible. In the model there are triode stages. You can set the Miller capacitance, plate impedance, cathode impedance, etc. Exposing those parameters would be possible but 99% of the users wouldn't understand the values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedojo View Post
    No no! don't worry. i was an amp builder before moving to the Axe Fx. So i'd love a discussion about further opening the parameters up in the advanced side of things. The tone is in the preamp and having that controllable might really make for some interesting scenarios.
    Yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smilzo View Post
    It could be a nice addiction to your product
    Like this thing isn't addicting enough already.

    (I'm pretty sure Smilzo meant addition, but I got a chuckle out of it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FractalAudio View Post
    It's possible. In the model there are triode stages. You can set the Miller capacitance, plate impedance, cathode impedance, etc. Exposing those parameters would be possible but 99% of the users wouldn't understand the values.

    ...such as "Bias Excursion" (I tried to explain it once... -> Axe-Fx II Firmware Version 12.04 Public Beta )


    PS: Great clip Tyler!!!

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    Any chance you want to share this preset?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamedojo View Post
    Redwirez cabs:

    G12M R121 Cone 1"
    G12M SM57 CapEdge Off Axis 0"
    Nice tone, 1960A G12M or Basketweave G12M20/25?
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    G12M Basketweave

    Quote Originally Posted by brianv4 View Post
    Nice tone, 1960A G12M or Basketweave G12M20/25?
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    Here you are... nothing really special, honestly.

    1987x G12M patch

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    Any chance you want to share this preset?
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