So what would be cheaper paying for transport back and forth or have Cliff come to us. Not personally, but he could come to phoenix and we could meet with him. We'll just have to have a few people in any state cover the hotel and airline. We could even hand over our frequent flier miles. just think he can get his well deserved break from his home and we can pitch in with gratuity for the appreciation of what he has done for us. Phoenix is really nice in December. I have a ton of friends who have amps, so it could be a meetup slash working session. Just a wishful thought.